From andrewkopets at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 18:28:31 2009 From: andrewkopets at gmail.com (AND1 kid) Date: Fri Apr 3 18:28:39 2009 Subject: [sgroup] S330 System Disks Message-ID: Dear All, Would anyone be so kind to tell me where can i get the 3 system disk images for the S330. I have already read and browsed through the SGroup Archive ( http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/os/S330 ), but the only image I find there is the one for Mac OS and I'm running Windows). Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Andrew From igg.debus at t-online.de Tue Apr 7 08:08:59 2009 From: igg.debus at t-online.de (Ingo Debus) Date: Tue Apr 7 08:09:23 2009 Subject: [sgroup] S330 System Disks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am 04.04.2009 um 00:28 schrieb AND1 kid: > Would anyone be so kind to tell me where can i get the 3 system > disk images > for the S330. I have already read and browsed through the SGroup > Archive ( > http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/os/S330 ), but the > only image > I find there is the one for Mac OS and I'm running Windows). As far as I remember, there were also two MSDOS programs, SDISK and SAMDISK, that could read those disk image files and write onto real floppy disks. Ingo From bruce at skeletonhome.com Tue Apr 7 09:52:12 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Tue Apr 7 09:52:23 2009 Subject: [sgroup] S330 System Disks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <585533B7-84F8-457F-BBA3-6C2E63C76EC1@skeletonhome.com> and for the mac users.... my old friend stefano daino's mac os 9 program D-Sound-Pro (still available here: http://www.i3net.it/Products/DSoundPRO/) supports loading/saving roland disks on a mac with a floppy. stefano's newer program dsp-quattro also supports the rolands i believe, but by sample dump over midi only. but on an older mac with a floppy drive dsoundpro does the trick. also, SMAC (http:// www.eav.com.au/roland-downloads.shtml) for older (os 8?) macs also supports reading/writing to roland disks. i believe that both of these demand a double density floppy (good luck finding those!) formatted in your sampler. i also saw a few roland system disk images on this last website, so look there for stuff as well. cheers b On Apr 7, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Ingo Debus wrote: > > Am 04.04.2009 um 00:28 schrieb AND1 kid: > >> Would anyone be so kind to tell me where can i get the 3 system >> disk images >> for the S330. I have already read and browsed through the SGroup >> Archive ( >> http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/os/S330 ), but the >> only image >> I find there is the one for Mac OS and I'm running Windows). > > As far as I remember, there were also two MSDOS programs, SDISK and > SAMDISK, that could read those disk image files and write onto real > floppy disks. > > Ingo > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/ > sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick From k2500x at hotmail.com Fri Apr 10 21:31:38 2009 From: k2500x at hotmail.com (k2500x _) Date: Fri Apr 10 21:31:44 2009 Subject: [sgroup] Internal SCSI device on the S-760? Message-ID: There are rumors of sucessful internal SCSI ZIP drives, etc being installed to replace the floppy drive on the S-760. Is this true? Are there details anywhere of the installation? Thanks, Ken _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 From k2500x at hotmail.com Mon Apr 13 07:58:41 2009 From: k2500x at hotmail.com (k2500x _) Date: Mon Apr 13 07:58:46 2009 Subject: [sgroup] Internal SCSI device on the S-760? In-Reply-To: <20090413042946.B237M.124998.root@hrndva-web23-z01> References: <20090413042946.B237M.124998.root@hrndva-web23-z01> Message-ID: For the simple reason of keeping everything compact in a one rack unit. Who wants jaz drives and cd-rom drives and cables and power supplies everywhere? > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:29:46 +0000 > From: chaseman@socal.rr.com > To: k2500x@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [sgroup] Internal SCSI device on the S-760? > > ... but why?... if your floppy isn't working just make the default boot drive the Zip attached to the SCSi buss. > Gary > > ---- k2500x _ wrote: > > > > There are rumors of sucessful internal SCSI ZIP drives, etc being installed to replace the floppy drive on the S-760. > > > > Is this true? Are there details anywhere of the installation? > > _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009 From garth at chickensys.com Mon Apr 13 14:08:42 2009 From: garth at chickensys.com (Garth Hjelte) Date: Mon Apr 13 15:23:46 2009 Subject: [sgroup] Internal SCSI device on the S-760? Message-ID: <20090413192342.B027F1B5853@s5.syonex.com> At 06:58 AM 4/13/2009, you wrote: > > > There are rumors of sucessful internal SCSI ZIP drives, etc > being installed to replace the floppy drive on the S-760. > > > > > > Is this true? Are there details anywhere of the installation? > > ... but why?... if your floppy isn't working just make the > default boot drive the Zip attached to the SCSi buss. >For the simple reason of keeping everything compact in a one rack >unit. Who wants jaz drives and cd-rom drives and cables and power >supplies everywhere? I hadn't heard these rumors but since I developed some Internal Kits of other samplers I thought I'd look inside a S-760. 2 problems: There is no direct way (unless you are a ace solderer and really know what you are doing) to get the SCSI buss, since the output DB-25 is soldered directly to the mainboard. You'd either have to desolder and solder the whole jack, or you could make a custom ribbon cable to route back into the S-760 (ugly, but possible). The other issue is more severe. A internal ZipDrive is 6.5 inches deep. Roland used a fairly short-form floppy drive that is 4.5 inches deep. The power supply is right behind the floppy drive, so there is no room for the 6.5" deep ZipDrive, unless you relocated the power supply. That may be possible if you don't have the OP-1 video/digital stuff; if you do, it is not possible even if you are squishing things in there. You wind up short about .75 inch no matter how you squeeze it. There better solution to me is to just get a 1 rack space shelf, or a 1-2 rack space rack drive case. Since the S-760 is rack anyway, the only advantage of an Internal is the saving of at least 1 rack space. I sell Internal ZipKits for the Ensoniq ASR-10, and that is a huge advantage because one can take their ASR-10 around for gigs and truly fulfill what the writer didn't want: cables, and power supplies everywhere. Garth Hjelte Sampler User From k2500x at hotmail.com Mon Apr 13 15:45:30 2009 From: k2500x at hotmail.com (k2500x _) Date: Mon Apr 13 15:45:36 2009 Subject: [sgroup] Internal SCSI device on the S-760? In-Reply-To: <20090413192342.B027F1B5853@s5.syonex.com> References: <20090413192342.B027F1B5853@s5.syonex.com> Message-ID: Garth, I appreciate this information very much. Looks like I'm sticking with a lot of drives and cables for now. :( > > I hadn't heard these rumors but since I developed some Internal Kits > of other samplers I thought I'd look inside a S-760. > > 2 problems: > > There is no direct way (unless you are a ace solderer and really know > what you are doing) to get the SCSI buss, since the output DB-25 is > soldered directly to the mainboard. You'd either have to desolder and > solder the whole jack, or you could make a custom ribbon cable to > route back into the S-760 (ugly, but possible). > > The other issue is more severe. A internal ZipDrive is 6.5 inches > deep. Roland used a fairly short-form floppy drive that is 4.5 inches > deep. The power supply is right behind the floppy drive, so there is > no room for the 6.5" deep ZipDrive, unless you relocated the power > supply. That may be possible if you don't have the OP-1 video/digital > stuff; if you do, it is not possible even if you are squishing things > in there. You wind up short about .75 inch no matter how you squeeze it. > > There better solution to me is to just get a 1 rack space shelf, or a > 1-2 rack space rack drive case. Since the S-760 is rack anyway, the > only advantage of an Internal is the saving of at least 1 rack space. > I sell Internal ZipKits for the Ensoniq ASR-10, and that is a huge > advantage because one can take their ASR-10 around for gigs and truly > fulfill what the writer didn't want: cables, and power supplies everywhere. > > Garth Hjelte > Sampler User > > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 From igg.debus at t-online.de Thu Apr 16 14:24:26 2009 From: igg.debus at t-online.de (Ingo Debus) Date: Thu Apr 16 14:43:50 2009 Subject: [sgroup] duplicate Roland CD-ROMs Message-ID: <6D747CE2-87BB-4BCA-B818-C887CFA8F813@t-online.de> Hello all, I thought it should be possible to duplicate my sample CD-ROMs in Roland S-760 format using the Apple OSX disk utility. But when I try to create a disk image file from any of my CD-ROMs the disk utility says "read/write error" after reading the CD-ROM. It does work with a CD-ROM in Akai S-1000 format though. I remember I could duplicate those CD-ROMs back in the OS 9 days, using Adaptec Toast. But my OS9 computer and its CD burner quit working a long time ago. Any other possibilities, preferrably using an Apple computer? Ingo From garth at chickensys.com Thu Apr 16 14:59:21 2009 From: garth at chickensys.com (Garth Hjelte) Date: Thu Apr 16 17:44:22 2009 Subject: [sgroup] duplicate Roland CD-ROMs In-Reply-To: <6D747CE2-87BB-4BCA-B818-C887CFA8F813@t-online.de> References: <6D747CE2-87BB-4BCA-B818-C887CFA8F813@t-online.de> Message-ID: <20090416214416.A74BF1B5D7E@s5.syonex.com> At 01:24 PM 4/16/2009, you wrote: >I thought it should be possible to duplicate my sample CD-ROMs in >Roland S-760 format using the Apple OSX disk utility. But when I try >to create a disk image file from any of my CD-ROMs the disk utility >says "read/write error" after reading the CD-ROM. It does work with a >CD-ROM in Akai S-1000 format though. Disk Utility can be touchy. it's not the fault that they are "Roland" or "Akai"; it's just the condition of the CD's or their manufacture. The big problem is that Disk Utility quits at the smallest sign of trouble, and it does not preserve the amount of the disk it has read already, nor does it continue on. There's other programs that are as touchy, so what I did in Translator Windows is make a Create Virtual Drive option that if it hit a sector batch that caused problems, it would try to read every sector in that batch, and skip the ones that failed. It would inform you but it would go on, so at least you could make a total Virtual Drive that perhaps would have some bad data in it's sectors. That same code is being prepared for Translator Mac inclusion at the moment. Roland CD's are pretty safe, because ALL the headers are at the start of the disk. If there are bad sectors, that just means some audio will be affected. >I remember I could duplicate those CD-ROMs back in the OS 9 days, >using Adaptec Toast. But my OS9 computer and its CD burner quit >working a long time ago. Toast was a bit better about it. I got frustrated by all the incomplete methods the others employed, so my version in Translator really is industrial strength. I'm a big fan of images (I call them Virtual Drives) so after having a batch of what I saw as perfectly good CD's not be able to be imaged I came up with a better solution. >Any other possibilities, preferrably using an Apple computer? Translator Mac, when it's ready, or if you have access to a Windows computer, use Translator Windows. This capacibility is on the Free versions, because we know how touchy the image-reading utilities are. Garth Hjelte Sampler User