From xirin6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 15 10:10:13 2010 From: xirin6 at yahoo.com (kevin kelley) Date: Thu Apr 15 10:17:01 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? Message-ID: <115559.66246.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have both a Roland branded VGA monitor for the S series. I also have a Roland mouse also. I paid $50 for each let me know if there is any interest offline. at xirin6@yahoo.com I am located in Florida and I will ship if buyer pays shipping. From jsegovia at mindspring.com Thu Apr 15 10:40:14 2010 From: jsegovia at mindspring.com (jsegovia@mindspring.com) Date: Thu Apr 15 10:40:53 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: <115559.66246.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <115559.66246.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are you getting out of the Roland sampler business? Pretty soon I might be the last person on this list! :) And is that Roland monitor black & white or color? Do they still need the Roland convertor cable or will they plug right into the back of a Roland sampler? Jesse From: kevin kelley To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Date: 04/15/2010 10:21 AM Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? Sent by: sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com@sgroup.ca I have both a Roland branded VGA monitor for the S series. I also have a Roland mouse also. I paid $50 for each let me know if there is any interest offline. at xirin6@yahoo.com I am located in Florida and I will ship if buyer pays shipping. _______________________________________________ Sent by the sgroup mailing list sgroup@sgroup.ca For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From askuse at ody.ca Thu Apr 15 11:09:18 2010 From: askuse at ody.ca (Andy Skuse) Date: Thu Apr 15 11:19:06 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling Message-ID: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but thought this may be of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and has been wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation. The Roland Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G software and this upgrade now offers sampling features that were previously unavailable. And for current Juno-G users the update is available free to download (see Downloads page at link below). So if like me, you were looking for a single keyboard to use live that can trigger samples instead of hauling a controller/S-760 rack combo around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0. http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=756&ParentId=83 Andy From jasperdehaas at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 12:51:36 2010 From: jasperdehaas at gmail.com (Jasper de Haas) Date: Thu Apr 15 12:51:43 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling In-Reply-To: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> References: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> Message-ID: Great news.. let me hijack the thread ;-) I like this mailing list a lot. I own a SY77 from Yamaha. Does anyone know a mailing list like the s-group for the SY series or more general about Yamaha FM products? Grtz, :) On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Andy Skuse wrote: > I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but thought this may be > of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and has been > wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation. The Roland > Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G software and this > upgrade now offers sampling features that were previously unavailable. And > for current Juno-G users the update is available free to download (see > Downloads page at link below). So if like me, you were looking for a single > keyboard to use live that can trigger samples instead of hauling a > controller/S-760 rack combo around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0. > > > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=756&ParentId=83 > > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > From terje.winther at wintherstormer.no Thu Apr 15 12:50:27 2010 From: terje.winther at wintherstormer.no (Terje Winther) Date: Thu Apr 15 13:11:51 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: References: <115559.66246.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7AE96553-9BAF-4B19-9228-E4C1E0172733@wintherstormer.no> > Pretty soon I might be the last person on this list! :) Noooo...... There are still some people who use the old Roland samplers. I have the S-550 and uses it constantly both solo and with my band, mostly with Mellotron samples. In these YouTube vids you can hear the Mellotron samples on the S-550 from the start (played on a MIDI keyboard): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWkfhCaM7Wo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5-8Rv0lsFo Once in a while there are even S-50s and S-550s on sale here in Norway for very little money. I might buy one the next time something comes up for sale. > I have both a Roland branded VGA monitor for the S series. I also > have a > Roland mouse also. I paid $50 for each let me know if there is any > interest offline. at xirin6@yahoo.com I am located in Florida and I > will > ship if buyer pays shipping. I have a monitor (which would quite expensive and risky to ship anyway), but I am missing the mouse, so it you still have it, I?d like to buy it. BTW: how many are there really on this list? Terje Winther terje.winther@wintherstormer.no http://www.wintherstormer.no/ From garth at chickensys.com Thu Apr 15 14:50:20 2010 From: garth at chickensys.com (Garth Hjelte) Date: Thu Apr 15 14:50:53 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling In-Reply-To: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> References: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> Message-ID: <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> At 10:09 AM 4/15/2010, you wrote: >I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but thought this >may be of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and >has been wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation. >The Roland Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G >software and this upgrade now offers sampling features that were >previously unavailable. And for current Juno-G users the update is >available free to download (see Downloads page at link below). So if >like me, you were looking for a single keyboard to use live that can >trigger samples instead of hauling a controller/S-760 rack combo >around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0. It should be noted that aside from the terminology and the same company, there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or S-5x samplers, it might as well be a different unit. The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially came out with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S and -X. It eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's the same functionality really, no additions. The reason for the removal/put-in-again glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a different CPU (more off-the-shelf) and the OS was rewritten to accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how much the modern hardware stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their OS's. Companies don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's anymore. The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine, so if you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get. Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the Akai Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no discontinued) had the best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for the Motif XS. I use all these pieces and I don't want to knock Roland but the Fantom-G is immensely difficult to use (too many clicks to do one thing, the buttons are in ungainly locations). This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and the new Kurzweil P3K. Just my opinion, though. Garth Hjelte Sampler User From bruce at skeletonhome.com Thu Apr 15 15:51:03 2010 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Thu Apr 15 15:51:09 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: <7AE96553-9BAF-4B19-9228-E4C1E0172733@wintherstormer.no> References: <115559.66246.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7AE96553-9BAF-4B19-9228-E4C1E0172733@wintherstormer.no> Message-ID: i think a lot of the old gang are still here, even if we don't fire up the old babies much anymore. still have my (t)rusty s550 w/cd-rom drive, etc. neatly packed away in my closet awaiting that special project. cheers b On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Terje Winther wrote: >> Pretty soon I might be the last person on this list! :) > > Noooo...... There are still some people who use the old Roland > samplers. I have the S-550 and uses it constantly both solo and with > my band, mostly with Mellotron samples. > In these YouTube vids you can hear the Mellotron samples on the > S-550 from the start (played on a MIDI keyboard): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWkfhCaM7Wo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5-8Rv0lsFo > Once in a while there are even S-50s and S-550s on sale here in > Norway for very little money. I might buy one the next time > something comes up for sale. > >> I have both a Roland branded VGA monitor for the S series. I also >> have a >> Roland mouse also. I paid $50 for each let me know if there is any >> interest offline. at xirin6@yahoo.com I am located in Florida and I >> will >> ship if buyer pays shipping. > > I have a monitor (which would quite expensive and risky to ship > anyway), but I am missing the mouse, so it you still have it, I?d > like to buy it. > > BTW: how many are there really on this list? > > > > Terje Winther > terje.winther@wintherstormer.no > http://www.wintherstormer.no/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/ > sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From david at roth-music.com Thu Apr 15 16:28:56 2010 From: david at roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Date: Thu Apr 15 16:35:42 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: References: <115559.66246.qm@web36105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7AE96553-9BAF-4B19-9228-E4C1E0172733@wintherstormer.no> Message-ID: I too still have my Roland S-330 with it's special mouse and a binder full of floppy disks. How old is the SGROUP now? 20 years? David A. Roth david@roth-music.com On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:51 PM, Bruce Tovsky wrote: > i think a lot of the old gang are still here, even if we don't fire > up the old babies much anymore. still have my (t)rusty s550 w/cd-rom > drive, etc. neatly packed away in my closet awaiting that special > project. > cheers > b > > On Apr 15, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Terje Winther wrote: > >>> Pretty soon I might be the last person on this list! :) >> >> Noooo...... There are still some people who use the old Roland >> samplers. I have the S-550 and uses it constantly both solo and >> with my band, mostly with Mellotron samples. >> In these YouTube vids you can hear the Mellotron samples on the >> S-550 from the start (played on a MIDI keyboard): >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWkfhCaM7Wo >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5-8Rv0lsFo >> Once in a while there are even S-50s and S-550s on sale here in >> Norway for very little money. I might buy one the next time >> something comes up for sale. >> >>> I have both a Roland branded VGA monitor for the S series. I also >>> have a >>> Roland mouse also. I paid $50 for each let me know if there is any >>> interest offline. at xirin6@yahoo.com I am located in Florida and >>> I will >>> ship if buyer pays shipping. >> >> I have a monitor (which would quite expensive and risky to ship >> anyway), but I am missing the mouse, so it you still have it, I?d >> like to buy it. >> >> BTW: how many are there really on this list? >> >> >> >> Terje Winther >> terje.winther@wintherstormer.no >> http://www.wintherstormer.no/ From jsellens at generalconcepts.com Thu Apr 15 16:40:26 2010 From: jsellens at generalconcepts.com (John Sellens) Date: Thu Apr 15 16:43:16 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? Message-ID: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> | How old is the SGROUP now? 20 years? My archives start with a message from Neil Herzinger on 23 Feb 90. So David - I think your guess of 20 years is pretty close. Cheers! John From bruce at skeletonhome.com Thu Apr 15 17:03:13 2010 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Thu Apr 15 17:03:18 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> References: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: it's a wonder that any of us are still alive. ;-) b On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:40 PM, John Sellens wrote: > | How old is the SGROUP now? 20 years? > > My archives start with a message from Neil Herzinger on 23 Feb 90. > > So David - I think your guess of 20 years is pretty close. > > Cheers! > > John > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/ > sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick From david at roth-music.com Thu Apr 15 17:34:12 2010 From: david at roth-music.com (David A. Roth) Date: Thu Apr 15 17:40:56 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> References: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: Hi John! It seems like it was only yesterday that I was posting about DART which was the catalyst for creating the SAMDISK utility and us dreaming of a FTP web site for the samples. :-) It shows that Roland was really ahead of their time with this product line that it is still being used today. Back in those days, I had a TASCAM 16-track in my studio. I would use SMPTE time-code and layer the S-330 to create a full orchestra sound. This worked very well and it was more cost effective than having a room full of samplers. I'll stop, because I might be boring the newer members to the SGROUP. :-) David A. Roth david@roth-music.com On Apr 15, 2010, at 4:40 PM, John Sellens wrote: > | How old is the SGROUP now? 20 years? > > My archives start with a message from Neil Herzinger on 23 Feb 90. > > So David - I think your guess of 20 years is pretty close. > > Cheers! > > John > From db at skylab2000.com Thu Apr 15 18:01:45 2010 From: db at skylab2000.com (dennis barton) Date: Thu Apr 15 18:01:53 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: References: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: <90317.57478.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> At 4/15/2010 02:34 PM, David A. Roth wrote: >Hi John! > > >It seems like it was only yesterday that I was posting about DART I use soft samplers now. I haven't used my S's in ages, but still have em, so I'll stay a few more years. :) Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From jasperdehaas at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 04:30:54 2010 From: jasperdehaas at gmail.com (Jasper de Haas) Date: Fri Apr 16 04:31:02 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling In-Reply-To: <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> References: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> Message-ID: I'm missing the mv8000/mv8800 in the sampling discussion. I have no experience with these machines, but they carry the Roland name. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Garth Hjelte wrote: > At 10:09 AM 4/15/2010, you wrote: > > I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but thought this >> may be of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and >> has been wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation. >> The Roland Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G >> software and this upgrade now offers sampling features that were >> previously unavailable. And for current Juno-G users the update is >> available free to download (see Downloads page at link below). So if >> like me, you were looking for a single keyboard to use live that can >> trigger samples instead of hauling a controller/S-760 rack combo >> around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0. >> > > It should be noted that aside from the terminology and the same company, > there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or S-5x samplers, > it might as well be a different unit. > > The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially came out > with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S and -X. It > eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's the same > functionality really, no additions. The reason for the removal/put-in-again > glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a different CPU (more off-the-shelf) > and the OS was rewritten to accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how > much the modern hardware stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their > OS's. Companies don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's > anymore. > > The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine, so if > you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get. > > Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the Akai > Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no discontinued) had the > best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for the Motif XS. I use all these > pieces and I don't want to knock Roland but the Fantom-G is immensely > difficult to use (too many clicks to do one thing, the buttons are in > ungainly locations). > > This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and the > new Kurzweil P3K. > > Just my opinion, though. > > Garth Hjelte > Sampler User > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > From jasperdehaas at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 04:32:58 2010 From: jasperdehaas at gmail.com (Jasper de Haas) Date: Fri Apr 16 04:33:04 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: <90317.57478.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> <90317.57478.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Did anyone convert the original library for the s-series to a digital format already, lets say Halion? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:01 AM, dennis barton wrote: > At 4/15/2010 02:34 PM, David A. Roth wrote: > >> Hi John! >> >> >> It seems like it was only yesterday that I was posting about DART >> > > > I use soft samplers now. > I haven't used my S's in ages, but still have em, so I'll stay a few more > years. :) > > Dennis > Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > From jason_ralf808 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Apr 16 05:22:31 2010 From: jason_ralf808 at tiscali.co.uk (Jason Adkins) Date: Fri Apr 16 05:22:40 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Non working S-550 latest Message-ID: <852F3C98-DD1D-429B-B06A-2967357E7278@tiscali.co.uk> Hi everyone, Thanks for all your help but I never did manage to get the S-550 working so I put it on ebay for a starting price of ?15,I only had the one bidder so he got it for that.It was a guy from Roland UK who reckoned if he couldn't get it going,no one could! Anyway too cut a long story short it was harder than he thought so Roland UK are now down to just the 4 S-550 main boards.........I will say no more! I personally think the Intel CPU may have gone south,I had the same flashing lights behaviour with a SCI Sixtrak and in the end I replaced its Z80 cpu,which was socketed and it worked perfectly,although I could be wrong,I have a smattering of electronics knowledge but mainly I do it by deduction....lol Anyway as I still have the S-550 library and mouse I decided to buy a S-330 off ebay for ?65 inc postage,its an american model so it needs a step down transformer and also a good clean up but it seems to work perfectly so all in all it ended up good,OK I only have half the ram but its a slightly more modern machine and sounds the same so the filters on it will be put to good use| Jason From garth at chickensys.com Fri Apr 16 09:00:59 2010 From: garth at chickensys.com (Garth Hjelte) Date: Fri Apr 16 09:07:43 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling In-Reply-To: References: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> Message-ID: <20100416130739.3D6501B58E0@s5.syonex.com> At 03:30 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote: >I'm missing the mv8000/mv8800 in the sampling discussion. I have no >experience with these machines, but they carry the Roland name. Strangely the MV is more the successor, structurally speaking, to the S-7x/XV-5080 then the Fantom is. The big problem with the Fantom (and Juno-G) is that you have no pitch, volume, or pan control on the SAMPLE level. You have the ability to form a "Multisample", which is just a series of samples mapped out horizontally across 128 MIDI notes. A Patch has 4 "Tones", and a Multisample can be assigned to that Tone and that Tone gives it any pitch, volume, and pan properties - and any property, for that matter. Contrast that to the S-7x model, which you have 88 MIDI Notes that can have their own set of envelopes, LFO's, Filters, shared by up to 4 (albeit mono) samples, but at least each sample reference has it's own pitch, volume, and pan - AND velocity range. Although the Fantom and S-7x only can have 4 velocity splits maximum, the way the S-7x does it is more versatile with the other parameters. Although you may have more flexibility using the Fantom/Juno Rhythm Kits, it seems kludgy to use a structure designed for percussion to simulate chromatic instruments. We can all agree that software eclipsed hardware for price and convenience reasons, it's also true that hardware stagnated feature-wise. Why have we never seen a non-PC-based disk-streaming structure-unlimited hardware sampler, even before software made it's mark? Right now the open-system things on the Motif/Fusion/Triton/M3/Fantom (and Kurzweil) are things to compliment it's already appealing internally voiced ROM sets, so I'm not complaining. What I'd like to see would be 1) Sample Instrument remote control from a computer (via USB or Ethernet) and 2) unlimited structures and not this "only 4 samples per key" and basic control not on the sample level stuff. Garth Hjelte Sampler User From garth at chickensys.com Fri Apr 16 09:05:39 2010 From: garth at chickensys.com (Garth Hjelte) Date: Fri Apr 16 09:07:47 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: References: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> <90317.57478.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100416130740.22B491B5906@s5.syonex.com> At 03:32 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote: >Did anyone convert the original library for the s-series to a >digital format already, lets say Halion? I did most of it, although I mainly did it to other more popular software samplers like Kontakt and EXS and Giga., using Translator www.chickensys.com Garth Hjelte Sampler User From jasperdehaas at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 09:51:13 2010 From: jasperdehaas at gmail.com (Jasper de Haas) Date: Fri Apr 16 09:51:19 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: <20100416130740.22B491B5906@s5.syonex.com> References: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> <90317.57478.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20100416130740.22B491B5906@s5.syonex.com> Message-ID: Are you willing to share your work? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Garth Hjelte wrote: > At 03:32 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote: > > Did anyone convert the original library for the s-series to a digital >> format already, lets say Halion? >> > > I did most of it, although I mainly did it to other more popular software > samplers like Kontakt and EXS and Giga., using Translator > www.chickensys.com > > Garth Hjelte > Sampler User > > > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > From askuse at ody.ca Fri Apr 16 09:34:40 2010 From: askuse at ody.ca (Andy Skuse) Date: Fri Apr 16 09:54:58 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling In-Reply-To: <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> References: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> Message-ID: Didn't see my reply show up so sorry if this is a double-post. Andy On 15-Apr-10, at 2:50 PM, Garth Hjelte wrote: > It should be noted that aside from the terminology and the same > company, there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or > S-5x samplers, it might as well be a different unit. > > The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially > came out with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S > and -X. It eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's > the same functionality really, no additions. The reason for the > removal/put-in-again glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a > different CPU (more off-the-shelf) and the OS was rewritten to > accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how much the modern > hardware stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their OS's. > Companies don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's > anymore. > > The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine, > so if you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get. > > Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the > Akai Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no > discontinued) had the best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for > the Motif XS. I use all these pieces and I don't want to knock > Roland but the Fantom-G is immensely difficult to use (too many > clicks to do one thing, the buttons are in ungainly locations). > > This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and > the new Kurzweil P3K. > > Just my opinion, though. > > Garth Hjelte > Sampler User Hey Garth, The problem for me isn't about the finding the "best" sampler, it's about finding a synth *and* sampler that is easy on the budget and reduces the amount of stuff I have to take with me to gigs (I play guitar as well so add in an amp, guitars, footpedals, and then you have a recipe for back problems). As an S-760 and S-750 (and S-50 and S-10 in the past) owner I certainly appreciate S-series samplers for their unique abilities and sound. But I am currently using a Roland RS-5 (not a great controller I admit but it has lots of great analog synth sounds I like), and an S-760 in a rack (don't forget the external SCSI hard drive!) for gigs, and to be able to combine a synth with a sampler into one keyboard without having to drag around an extra rack or hard drive (the Juno-G uses SD cards for storage) would greatly simplify my setup and reduce my total gigging weight. And to be able to buy that same device for $1100 (Juno-G $1099.99 at music123.com) is a bargain compared to the Fantoms ($2295 at music123.com for G6). And the XV-5080 is a rackmount sampler so I'm back to dragging around a rack and a hard drive. The Juno-G solves 2 big problems for me, just thought I'd mention it in case any other S- series owners were in the same boat. And I just read your post about lack of pitch, volume and panning control on the Juno-G. I do all of my sample editing on my computer and just need the Juno-G to store and playback my samples, so to get around this issue it sounds like I just need to pre-plan a bit. I should be able to just edit my samples on my computer first to ensure the proper pitch, volume and panning are set so before importing into the Juno-G, correct? Andy From askuse at ody.ca Thu Apr 15 15:46:43 2010 From: askuse at ody.ca (Andy Skuse) Date: Fri Apr 16 09:56:34 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling In-Reply-To: <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> References: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> Message-ID: <3F867E52-EB28-4224-8C78-EFFF581546A4@ody.ca> On 15-Apr-10, at 2:50 PM, Garth Hjelte wrote: > It should be noted that aside from the terminology and the same > company, there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or > S-5x samplers, it might as well be a different unit. > > The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially > came out with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S > and -X. It eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's > the same functionality really, no additions. The reason for the > removal/put-in-again glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a > different CPU (more off-the-shelf) and the OS was rewritten to > accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how much the modern > hardware stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their OS's. > Companies don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's > anymore. > > The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine, > so if you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get. > > Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the > Akai Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no > discontinued) had the best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for > the Motif XS. I use all these pieces and I don't want to knock > Roland but the Fantom-G is immensely difficult to use (too many > clicks to do one thing, the buttons are in ungainly locations). > > This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and > the new Kurzweil P3K. > > Just my opinion, though. > > Garth Hjelte > Sampler User Hey Garth, The problem for me isn't about the finding the "best" sampler, it's about finding a synth *and* sampler that is easy on the budget and reduces the amount of stuff I have to take with me to gigs (I play guitar as well so add in an amp, guitars, footpedals, and then you have a recipe for back problems). As an S-760 and S-750 (and S-50 and S-10 in the past) owner I certainly appreciate S-series samplers for their unique abilities and sound. But I am currently using a Roland RS-5 (not a great controller I admit but it has lots of great analog synth sounds I like), and an S-760 in a rack (don't forget the external SCSI hard drive!) for gigs, and to be able to combine a synth with a sampler into one keyboard without having to drag around an extra rack or hard drive (the Juno-G uses SD cards for storage) would greatly simplify my setup and reduce my total gigging weight. And to be able to buy that same device for $1100 (Juno-G $1099.99 at music123.com) is a bargain compared to the Fantoms ($2295 at music123.com for G6). And the XV-5080 is a rackmount sampler so I'm back to dragging around a rack and a hard drive. The Juno-G solves 2 big problems for me, just thought I'd mention it in case any other S- series owners were in the same boat. Andy From jason_ralf808 at tiscali.co.uk Fri Apr 16 13:07:57 2010 From: jason_ralf808 at tiscali.co.uk (Jason Adkins) Date: Fri Apr 16 13:08:03 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Latest Roland Message-ID: <1E99D71E-7E95-4C41-9D3F-DFF62D26A238@tiscali.co.uk> Hi all, Personally I don't think Roland have done anything very interesting for a number of years,living off their heritage. There are only so many ways you can repackage the same stuff. Jason From garth at chickensys.com Fri Apr 16 13:56:23 2010 From: garth at chickensys.com (Garth Hjelte) Date: Fri Apr 16 13:58:37 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Juno-G v2.0 sampling In-Reply-To: <3F867E52-EB28-4224-8C78-EFFF581546A4@ody.ca> References: <8EE3F865-87D9-4661-B725-3D33AA600C30@ody.ca> <20100415185046.308741B5814@s5.syonex.com> <3F867E52-EB28-4224-8C78-EFFF581546A4@ody.ca> Message-ID: <20100416175833.107191B5874@s5.syonex.com> At 02:46 PM 4/15/2010, you wrote: >The problem for me isn't about the finding the "best" sampler, it's >about finding a synth *and* sampler that is easy on the budget and >reduces the amount of stuff I have to take with me to gigs (I play >guitar as well so add in an amp, guitars, footpedals, and then you >have a recipe for back problems). As an S-760 and S-750 (and S-50 and >S-10 in the past) owner I certainly appreciate S-series samplers for >their unique abilities and sound. But I am currently using a Roland >RS-5 (not a great controller I admit but it has lots of great analog >synth sounds I like), and an S-760 in a rack (don't forget the >external SCSI hard drive!) for gigs, and to be able to combine a synth >with a sampler into one keyboard without having to drag around an >extra rack or hard drive (the Juno-G uses SD cards for storage) would >greatly simplify my setup and reduce my total gigging weight. And to >be able to buy that same device for $1100 (Juno-G $1099.99 at >music123.com) is a bargain compared to the Fantoms ($2295 at >music123.com for G6). And the XV-5080 is a rackmount sampler so I'm >back to dragging around a rack and a hard drive. The Juno-G solves 2 >big problems for me, just thought I'd mention it in case any other S- >series owners were in the same boat. The two issues being "all in one keyboard" and "sampled sounds+good ROM sounds"? Plus "inexpensive". Yeah, the less expensive price of the Juno-G makes sense. Less then the Motifs and M3's etc. Garth Hjelte Sampler User From db at skylab2000.com Fri Apr 16 15:27:35 2010 From: db at skylab2000.com (dennis barton) Date: Fri Apr 16 15:40:55 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Latest Roland In-Reply-To: <1E99D71E-7E95-4C41-9D3F-DFF62D26A238@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1E99D71E-7E95-4C41-9D3F-DFF62D26A238@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <585120.27885.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> At 4/16/2010 10:07 AM, Jason Adkins wrote: >Hi all, > >Personally I don't think Roland have done anything very interesting >for a number of years,living off their heritage. >There are only so many ways you can repackage the same stuff. The new drum controller are very nice. Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From bruce at skeletonhome.com Fri Apr 16 16:08:07 2010 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Fri Apr 16 16:08:14 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Latest Roland In-Reply-To: <585120.27885.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1E99D71E-7E95-4C41-9D3F-DFF62D26A238@tiscali.co.uk> <585120.27885.qm@smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: on a not unrelated note, i recently ran (online) into Jim Norman, who some of you may recall was a support guy (and much more) at Roland during the S series years, and he is working for a software sampler (and much more) company based in Germany (he's still in LA). the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree, or something.... b On Apr 16, 2010, at 3:27 PM, dennis barton wrote: > At 4/16/2010 10:07 AM, Jason Adkins wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Personally I don't think Roland have done anything very interesting >> for a number of years,living off their heritage. >> There are only so many ways you can repackage the same stuff. > > The new drum controller are very nice. > > Dennis > Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup@sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/ > sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick From synpro at networld.at Thu Apr 22 13:26:10 2010 From: synpro at networld.at (Peter Ullrich) Date: Thu Apr 22 13:35:24 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Anyone need a Roland monitor or Mouse ? In-Reply-To: References: <201004152040.o3FKeQS3010593@gc0.generalconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1271957170.4bd086b250cb1@webmail.networld.at> Hi! > > Pretty soon I might be the last person on this list! :) No! I still have 2 or 3 S-330, 2 functional and one spare part S-550, two S-760 and will use them. One of the S550 also has a SCSI interface, so I also have a cdrom, 100MB ZIP and harddisk for it. Also some mice, two DT-100, one RC-100 and my mouse converters. The S-760s also have a rack unit with ZIP, cdrom and maybe will get also an harddisk in the future... At the moment I am building my homestudio in the cellar but the samplers are fixed for the installation in two racks beside other samplers from Akai (S1000, S3000XL) and a Dynacord AddTwo Drum Sampler. So for me they are not dead. I really like the editing process via mouse and monitor. The DT-100 on the other side are quite useless for me as I am not a waveform painter... ;-) Ciao Peter http://come.to/synpro http://go.to/datadial (Synth Addon) ---------------------------------- Ein Service von http://www.news.at