From trilobyte at hoe.nu Tue May 11 10:58:10 2010 From: trilobyte at hoe.nu (t'byte) Date: Tue May 11 11:16:17 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? Message-ID: Hi everybody, I read that the S-750 was just basically an S-770 with lesser A/D converters and no internal hard drive. Wondering if I could just add an internal hard drive to my S-750, I opened it up yesterday. Couldn't find any place for a hard drive, though. Also it looked like there was a place on the S-750 mainboard for a 50-pin internal SCSI connector, without any connector soldered on. So I guess there is also no actual fixture in the S-750 for the hard drive to go, eh? I didn't fully disassemble the thing, but in peeking around, I did see that the lower board (with the audio outputs on it) does say "S-770" on the PCB. The upper board says S-750 though. Thanks Tim From jsegovia at mindspring.com Tue May 11 16:03:35 2010 From: jsegovia at mindspring.com (jsegovia@mindspring.com) Date: Tue May 11 16:04:02 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can't help you with the technical questions, but at this point with little technical help available from Roland and with so many S-760s available for so little money, why not just spring for the S-760? There are a couple on ebay right now for $125-169. I paid a lot more for mine seven or eight years ago. Jesse From: "t'byte" To: sgroup@sgroup.ca Date: 05/11/2010 01:20 PM Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? Sent by: sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com@sgroup.ca Hi everybody, I read that the S-750 was just basically an S-770 with lesser A/D converters and no internal hard drive. Wondering if I could just add an internal hard drive to my S-750, I opened it up yesterday. Couldn't find any place for a hard drive, though. Also it looked like there was a place on the S-750 mainboard for a 50-pin internal SCSI connector, without any connector soldered on. So I guess there is also no actual fixture in the S-750 for the hard drive to go, eh? I didn't fully disassemble the thing, but in peeking around, I did see that the lower board (with the audio outputs on it) does say "S-770" on the PCB. The upper board says S-750 though. Thanks Tim _______________________________________________ Sent by the sgroup mailing list sgroup@sgroup.ca For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. From trilobyte at hoe.nu Tue May 11 16:06:54 2010 From: trilobyte at hoe.nu (t'byte) Date: Tue May 11 16:06:21 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cb28ab11ee74247dc1549c539579be9.squirrel@webmail.hoe.nu> > I can't help you with the technical questions, but at this point with > little technical help available from Roland and with so many S-760s > available for so little money, why not just spring for the S-760? There > are a couple on ebay right now for $125-169. I paid a lot more for mine > seven or eight years ago. Ah, but I have one. I was just wanting to put a hard drive in my S-750. :) thanks tim From db at skylab2000.com Tue May 11 16:03:16 2010 From: db at skylab2000.com (dennis barton) Date: Tue May 11 16:23:58 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <721887.72130.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I think the easiest way to go is to get a SCSI drive and connect it to that back connector. Maybe you could mount the drive inside somewhere, but electrically that seems easiest. I used a ZIP drive and an Apple SCSI drive for years and they seemed fine. At 5/11/2010 07:58 AM, t'byte wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I read that the S-750 was just basically an S-770 with lesser A/D >converters and no internal hard drive. Wondering if I could just add an >internal hard drive to my S-750, I opened it up yesterday. Couldn't find >any place for a hard drive, though. Also it looked like there was a place >on the S-750 mainboard for a 50-pin internal SCSI connector, without any >connector soldered on. So I guess there is also no actual fixture in the >S-750 for the hard drive to go, eh? > >I didn't fully disassemble the thing, but in peeking around, I did see >that the lower board (with the audio outputs on it) does say "S-770" on >the PCB. The upper board says S-750 though. > >Thanks >Tim > >_______________________________________________ >Sent by the sgroup mailing list >sgroup@sgroup.ca >For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From trilobyte at hoe.nu Tue May 11 16:59:36 2010 From: trilobyte at hoe.nu (t'byte) Date: Tue May 11 16:59:52 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: <721887.72130.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <721887.72130.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I think the easiest way to go is to get a SCSI drive and connect it > to that back connector. Maybe you could mount the drive inside > somewhere, but electrically that seems easiest. > I used a ZIP drive and an Apple SCSI drive for years and they seemed fine. Yeah, I've gone that route. And of course it works fine. But my motivation here was to get some life out of something that was otherwise collecting dust. I thought I could load an internal hard drive with a bunch of sounds, not have a bunch garbage dangling off the front & back of the unit, and just use the built-in screen and have a number of patches loaded at all times, for sequencing or gigging or whatever. If anybody's got a Glyph SCSI rack they'd be interested in getting rid of, please let me know off-list. Thanks From db at skylab2000.com Tue May 11 16:37:30 2010 From: db at skylab2000.com (dennis barton) Date: Tue May 11 17:19:06 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <173897.38587.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The s760 doesn't have a hard drive either, so will be the same issue. At 5/11/2010 01:03 PM, jsegovia@mindspring.com wrote: >I can't help you with the technical questions, but at this point with >little technical help available from Roland and with so many S-760s >available for so little money, why not just spring for the S-760? There >are a couple on ebay right now for $125-169. I paid a lot more for mine >seven or eight years ago. Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From db at skylab2000.com Tue May 11 17:22:18 2010 From: db at skylab2000.com (dennis barton) Date: Tue May 11 17:22:26 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: References: <721887.72130.qm@smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <233381.44240.qm@smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> At 5/11/2010 01:59 PM, t'byte wrote: > > I think the easiest way to go is to get a SCSI drive and connect it > > to that back connector. Maybe you could mount the drive inside > > somewhere, but electrically that seems easiest. > > I used a ZIP drive and an Apple SCSI drive for years and they seemed fine. > >Yeah, I've gone that route. And of course it works fine. these guys ave some cool solutions: http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/ Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From jsegovia at mindspring.com Tue May 11 18:39:45 2010 From: jsegovia at mindspring.com (jsegovia@mindspring.com) Date: Tue May 11 19:40:28 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: <173897.38587.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <173897.38587.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Right, but it's very easy to connect an external hard drive to the S-760. You know, I assume none of us would consider using a PC from the '80s, and yet we're using PC-like musical equipment that's well over twenty years old. It's amazing it all works as well as it does. Jesse From: dennis barton To: jsegovia@mindspring.com, trilobyte@hoe.nu Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca, sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com@sgroup.ca Date: 05/11/2010 05:20 PM Subject: Re: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? The s760 doesn't have a hard drive either, so will be the same issue. At 5/11/2010 01:03 PM, jsegovia@mindspring.com wrote: >I can't help you with the technical questions, but at this point with >little technical help available from Roland and with so many S-760s >available for so little money, why not just spring for the S-760? There >are a couple on ebay right now for $125-169. I paid a lot more for mine >seven or eight years ago. Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From trilobyte at hoe.nu Tue May 11 20:54:42 2010 From: trilobyte at hoe.nu (t'byte) Date: Tue May 11 20:54:02 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: References: <173897.38587.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7a4efe2d40d57656a4ca2af315d29552.squirrel@webmail.hoe.nu> > Right, but it's very easy to connect an external hard drive to the S-760. It's no easier or harder than connecting an external hard drive to the S-750... but it would probably be even *harder* to retro-fit an internal one in there :) > You know, I assume none of us would consider using a PC from the '80s, and > yet we're using PC-like musical equipment that's well over twenty years > old. It's amazing it all works as well as it does. Sorry man, I still use Commodores, Ataris, and Amigas from the '80s... :) It *is* a wonder that so much of it still works, as you say. But some of it is requiring serious maintenance too! You almost need a degree in electronics to keep some of this stuff around. Luckily the Roland stuff is so incredibly well-built. - tim From jsegovia at mindspring.com Tue May 11 22:04:52 2010 From: jsegovia at mindspring.com (jsegovia@mindspring.com) Date: Tue May 11 22:07:02 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: <7a4efe2d40d57656a4ca2af315d29552.squirrel@webmail.hoe.nu> References: <173897.38587.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <7a4efe2d40d57656a4ca2af315d29552.squirrel@webmail.hoe.nu> Message-ID: t'byte wrote: > Sorry man, I still use Commodores, Ataris, and Amigas from the '80s... :) I still have my Atari 1040ST which, if I'm lucky, will fire up and maybe even load up some software. But none of us use twenty or thirty year old PCs for work or for anything other than music, I'm pretty sure. Jesse From db at skylab2000.com Wed May 12 01:15:03 2010 From: db at skylab2000.com (dennis barton) Date: Wed May 12 03:41:20 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: References: <173897.38587.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <523515.35382.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> At 5/11/2010 03:39 PM, jsegovia@mindspring.com wrote: >Right, but it's very easy to connect an external hard drive to the S-760. s750 is exactly the same. SCSI plug on the back. Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From askuse at ody.ca Wed May 12 09:50:03 2010 From: askuse at ody.ca (askuse@ody.ca) Date: Wed May 12 09:50:09 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? Message-ID: <4458.69.63.32.134.1273672203.squirrel@webmail.ody.ca> I wanted the same thing, but I ended up removing the floppy drive and installing an internal SCSI zip 100MB drive in it's place. NOTE: Before attempting the procedure below be sure to boot from an S-750 floppy disk and install the S-750 OS onto a blank ZIP disk BEFORE you remove the floppy drive or you won't be able to boot the S-750 from the zip drive. I routed a 25 pin SCSI cable from the SCSI connection on the back of the S-750 into the inside of the S-750. Depending on how precious your S-750 is to you, you can cut a notch in the enclosure on the top to allow for the cable, or just do like I did and screw the S-750's enclosure down over the cable. That bent the tin enclosure a little but it wasn't visible from the front. I then scavenged a cable from an old SCSI hard drive enclosure that had a 50 pin SCSI connector for a SCSI drive on one end, and the 25 pin SCSI connector on the other and connected up the zip drive. I also used the power connector for the floppy drive to power the zip drive. Remember to set the SCSI ID on the zip drive accordingly to avoid conflicts. The cabling looked like hell from the back, but it all worked. Andy At 5/11/2010 07:58 AM, t'byte wrote: Hi everybody, I read that the S-750 was just basically an S-770 with lesser A/D converters and no internal hard drive. Wondering if I could just add an internal hard drive to my S-750, I opened it up yesterday. Couldn't find any place for a hard drive, though. Also it looked like there was a place on the S-750 mainboard for a 50-pin internal SCSI connector, without any connector soldered on. So I guess there is also no actual fixture in the S-750 for the hard drive to go, eh? I didn't fully disassemble the thing, but in peeking around, I did see that the lower board (with the audio outputs on it) does say "S-770" on the PCB. The upper board says S-750 though. Thanks Tim From jsegovia at mindspring.com Wed May 12 09:57:31 2010 From: jsegovia at mindspring.com (jsegovia@mindspring.com) Date: Wed May 12 09:58:00 2010 Subject: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? In-Reply-To: <523515.35382.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <173897.38587.qm@smtp109.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <523515.35382.qm@smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So the only question was about mounting a hard drive internally? Jesse From: dennis barton To: jsegovia@mindspring.com Cc: sgroup@sgroup.ca, sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com@sgroup.ca, trilobyte@hoe.nu Date: 05/12/2010 09:24 AM Subject: Re: [sgroup] S-750 hard drive? At 5/11/2010 03:39 PM, jsegovia@mindspring.com wrote: >Right, but it's very easy to connect an external hard drive to the S-760. s750 is exactly the same. SCSI plug on the back. Dennis Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles From emailit2 at aol.com Wed May 19 21:26:59 2010 From: emailit2 at aol.com (emailit2@aol.com) Date: Wed May 19 21:27:12 2010 Subject: [sgroup] Selling Several Pieces, Akai, Roland, Mackie, Some Rare Stuff DT-100, RC-100 Message-ID: <8CCC5D2AD17F2C8-2798-9DA4@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> Akai mpc2000xl $550 Akai EB-16 fx option $175 Akai FMX008m flash rom option $200 Akai S-950 $200 Roland RC-100 Remote control $100 Roland DT-100 Tablet $175 Mackie Micro 1202 ASR-10/ASR-88 SCSI cabling kit http://shop.ebay.com/mrinternational/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 Keep checkin' Several more pieces to come.. Roland S-550(x2) Akai S-2000(x2), ASR-10 keys, EPS-16+ keys, DBX, Ashley, and Symetrix comps, Lexicon FX, etc I might.... post up 1, or 2 E-MU SP-12's..that will be a hard one