Update on the recent discussion about converting S550 disks to
SoftSampler formats.
I did a few tests with the Mac beta of Translator and it's looking
really good. It just munches through all the old .OUT files in
seconds!!
Thanks to Garth and the team for breathing new life into our valuable
old disks and samples - I'm sure he'll announce when it's complete.
Regards - Colin
Hi folks,
There hasn't been any action on this group for months so I thought
I'd get something going....
I hardly use my S550 anymore but I have literally hundreds of floppy
disks of sounds. It seems a shame for all of these to not be used
anymore. This is really just laziness and ease of use - I work with
Logic Pro 8 and tend to use their EXS24 sampler exclusively.
I have the old S-Mac set of utilities for reading and writing S550
disks and sometimes use them to just lift sounds off the floppies,
for import into EXS24. This works okay for very simple things like
drum samples and hits.
I also use CDXtract and sometimes Translator to convert S760 disks
and these work well. I know it's possible to do a convert load of
S550 disks into S760, then convert via CDXtract to EXS24, but this is
is long process. To add to this, my S760 has suddenly become sick and
says I only have 1.2 MB RAM - I actually have 32MB. (But that's
another problem....)
Has anyone come across new (or old) utilities for bringing S550
sample disks into the 21st century? Something to read and convert
these precious old treasures.....
Regards - Colin
I have six boxes each with about 10 disks, that are the ORIGINAL
Roland sample floppies, bought from Roland, on Roland media.
They cost a fortune way back when, and are all really well done.
They are designed for s-550 and s-330 and w-30, but as I recall can
be convert loaded into s760, s770 and s750 as well. Maybe also DJ70!
As-is, because they are floppies. Every one of the samples I tested,
worked fine, so I'd expect no issues. Physically in excellent shape.
Even still have the little ID cards.
Yes, you could download and make disks, but the online archive seems
to have a few problem disks, and this will save you TONS of time.
I'll sell them *all* for $85 plus shipping,
[or make offer]
+---RSB-5501
+---5501_1 Club E. Piano & Bass & WaveSynth
+---5501_2 Tenor & Soprano Saxophones Vol.1
+---5501_3 Acoustic Piano 2
+---5501_4 Bass Vol.1
+---5501_5 Acoustic Guitars 2
+---5501_6 Sollo Cello & Duo
+---5501_7 Woodwinds
+---5501_8 Pop Piano 1
+---5501_9 Grand Piano 3 Lower
+---5501_10 Grand Piano 3 Upper
+---RSB-5502
+---5502_1 Conga Mongo in Stereo
+---5502_2 Jet Strings in Stereo
+---5502_3 Lg Crash Splash in stereo
+---5502_4 Pluck Pianos
+---5502_5 Mini Moog Bass 1
+---5502_6 EQ Drum Kits 1a
+---5502_7 Stereo THX
+---5502_8 FM Filtered
+---5502_9 Stereo Drum Kit 1
+---5502_10 Stereo Drum Kit 2
+---RSB-5503
+---5503_1 Flute & Piccolo
+---5503_2 Bright Trumpets Solo & Section
+---5503_3 Rock Composers Tool
+---5503_4 Orchestral Percussion #2
+---5503_5 Trumpet & Trombone
+---5503_6 Pipe Organ & Choir
+---5503_7 E.Piano & Vibraphone
+---5503_8 Alto Sax
+---5503_9 Full String Section
+---5503_10 Celesta
+---RSB-5504
+---5504_1 Long Ride & Bell In Stereo!
+---5504_2 G&L Precision Bass
+---5504_3 Exotic Hand Percussion #1
+---5504_4 Designer Trap Set #1
+---5504_5 Industrial Strength Techno
+---5504_6 Sports Disk 1
+---5504_7 Orchestral Percussion #3
+---5504_8 Mark Trees & Wind Chimes in Stereo
+---5504_9 Harpsichord
+---5504_10 Oriental Cymbols & Gongs
+---RSB-5505
+---5505_1 16 Bit Piano 1A
+---5505_2 16 Bit Piano 1B
+---5505_3 Hookmonics 59, 1959 Strat Oddities
+---5505_4 Grand Piano 3W
+---5505_5 Martin Steel String Acoustic Guitar
+---5505_6 Rock Guitar Sampled Distortion
+---5505_7 ET Perc 1, Assorted Hand Percussion
+---5505_8 Real Bass Slapper
+---5505_9 Sun. Nite Sax
+---5505_10 Kingdom Pad
+---RSB-5506
+---5506_1 Pluck Guitar
+---5506_2 Underwater FX
+---5506_3 Cho Trumpet
+---5506_4 Moog Brass 1
+---5506_5 CD Basses
+---5506_6 Violins x 8
+---5506_7 Hits & Hornz
+---5506_8 Brass Vol.3
+---5506_9 Super Kit 16
+---5506_10 Banjo Man
|_e_/ Dennis Barton <db(a)skylab2000.com>
) skylab2000
~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
/ http://skylab2000.com
Can folks use translator *free* to convert 550/770 out files?
>>Doesn't translator just do 550, and not 770 OUT files?
>
>It does both (now). I think we changed that a couple years ago.
>
>Garth Hjelte
>Sampler User
|_e_/ Dennis Barton <db(a)skylab2000.com>
) skylab2000
~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
/ http://skylab2000.com
Well, it all seems a little silly to me since our own group has had the Roland and a whole bunch of other sample libraries available for download for years:
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/
BTW, David Green's Lil Chips site is still up and running, just in stealth mode:
http://www.lilchips.com/roland/roland/index.asp
Some of David's S- images were corrupt and didn't load correctly but I can't remember which ones.
Jon E.
----- Original Message ----
From: Peter V <peter.vermeeren(a)hetnet.nl>
To: sgroup(a)sgroup.ca
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 3:10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [sgroup] contributions
I'm not 'legally in the know', but wasn't there the this-or-that-site a
while ago (a shame I forgot the name)
from which lots of Roland-info & disk-images could be downloaded from ?
That site wasn't affiliated with Roland AFAIK, but dunno, maybe they had the
go-ahead from Roland ?
If not, then it'll be fine I guess, that site (ah, Li'lchips it was:
www.lilchips.com ) wasn't exactly low-profile,
so it'll have been OK I assume (for lack of a more founded evidence ;-)
As it seems they don't longer offer these disk-inages though.
Bye,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve landay" <stevelanday(a)yahoo.com>
To: "Jesse Segovia" <jsegovia(a)mindspring.com>
Cc: <sgroup(a)sgroup.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [sgroup] contributions
>
> My feeling is this is no longer an issue and everything should be
> freely shared.
>
> Or, am I missing something?
>
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Hi guys,
Just put the files on the internet and let us download. If Roland had a problem before this, we would have known about it. They don't care about the old software. They're not going to personally come after one or 2 individuals in a lawsuit, they can't prove what samples you own or don't own. Later
Denny
to quote steve landay:
=> This is a good example of my point I think.
=>
=> According to some, you have no legal way of procuring the original
=> programming/software (of which is no longer being produced) to make
=> the thing work at all aside from sampling your own samples, unless
=> there is still a company in business which you can purchase from.
Roland may no longer be offering the sample library for sale, but there
are other soundware manufacturers that do or software that will convert
from other formats, so there are still ample ways of putting those vintage
units to work!
Ebay is also useful for picking up soundware too.
Regards,
Nic.
--
Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic(a)softaudio.com, GSM: +353 87 2300 914
>
>The original sgroup list had a group archive of their samples - if
>you read the old archives you'll find lots of discussions about this
>- but I don't think any of them are available anymore. We should
>contribute all we legally can to a new group archive.
This discussion is kinda funny here on sgroup because the Roland
samples I think we are discussing are all on the sgroup archive already!!!
I think we had this same conversation many years ago, and the result
is they are all online in out very own group!!
Roland samples here:
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/samples/
Even samples many if us contributed, when we were all young.
The problem is that they are in .out format, so need to be modernized.
|_e_/ Dennis Barton <db(a)skylab2000.com>
) skylab2000
~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
/ http://skylab2000.com
If any mac people on here can't read their old Roland disks, I'd be
happy to read in a few for you on my PC..
I can also read ZIP disks, but that's a bit more involved..
|_e_/ Dennis Barton <db(a)skylab2000.com>
) skylab2000
~\/\ Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
/ http://skylab2000.com
Does anyone have a listing of all their samples? Mine's at home - I'll post it to the list as soon as I can.
The original sgroup list had a group archive of their samples - if you read the old archives you'll find lots of discussions about this - but I don't think any of them are available anymore. We should contribute all we legally can to a new group archive.
Does anyone have any server space available to host it?
Jesse
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Tovsky <bruce(a)skeletonhome.com>
>Sent: May 5, 2008 11:01 AM
>To: sgroup(a)sgroup.ca
>Subject: Re: [sgroup] Any S-news out there?
>
>hi everyone
>well, looks like the old gang is still reading the list, even if most
>of us haven't fired up our samplers in a while. yet i can't bring
>myself to get rid of it. i did a live show a couple of weeks ago and
>one of the performers did an amazing solo set with an old akai
>sampler (i think an s1000) which just showed me that it's how you use
>it that counts. same thing with my old oberheim matrix 6R - i know as
>soon as i sell it i'll have an idea that calls for some meaty analog.
>back on the s550 front, i too have a ton of old disks and would be
>willing to participate in a collective archive if there is interest.
>one thing i wonder is if there is any lingering legal issues we
>should consider. i have a couple of commercial cdrs of samples from
>companies long gone - are we safe in including these? what about
>roland samples?
>cheers
>bruce
>
>On May 4, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Jesse Segovia wrote:
>
>> Hello, everybody! Great to see some traffic on this excellent list,
>> dedicated to a great (if somewhat dated) technology.
>>
>> I've backed up lots of my s-disk images which I'll gladly make
>> available to
>> anyone who's interested. As a matter of fact, one very kind list
>> member
>> sent me a CD of some of his backups in exchange for my backups, but
>> I never
>> finished my own backups and I've since forgot who sent me the
>> disk! :(
>> Very big apologies to whomever it was - please let me know and I'll
>> correct
>> the situation immediately.
>>
>> If anyone is interested this would make a good excuse for me to
>> start again
>> to complete backing up my disks to sdisk images and put those on a CD.
>>
>> Oh, and I also have a very large collection of blank 720KB floppy
>> disks for
>> sale, if anyone is interested. They are very good quality - they
>> came from
>> the software company where I used to work, and in all the years
>> I've worked
>> with them (since the late '80s) I think I've only had one or two
>> fail on me.
>>
>> Let me know if anyone is interested in that.
>>
>> Jesse
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com(a)sgroup.ca
>> [mailto:sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com@sgroup.ca] On Behalf Of
>> dennis barton
>> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:24 PM
>> To: David A. Roth; sgroup(a)sgroup.ca
>> Subject: Re: [sgroup] Any S-news out there?
>>
>>
>> I also have the Roland fioppies. If we are planning to archive these,
>> shouldn't we all work together to not duplicate work.
>>
>> Or has this been done already for the Roland floppies?
>>
>> I've found many of my old disks are now unreadable....
>>
>>
>> At 5/4/2008 01:13 PM, David A. Roth wrote:
>>> Hi Colin and everyone!
>>>
>>> Nice to see some activity on this list too.
>>>
>>> I have many disks for my S330 and have given thought to archive them.
>>> I was either going to use the S-Mac and/or 'dd' command on Linux to
>>> create an image of each floppy as a directory, and then burn the
>>> whole thing to CD-ROM. Of course, I would want to have the samples
>>> exacted too since there is no telling if any sort of format from the
>>> Roland sampler library would be supported. It seems a shame to have
>>> to lose the set-ups for the samples and patches themselves by going
>>> to another format whatever that might be. But at the very least,
>>> preserving the raw samples is possible.
>>>
>>> Yes, there might be better samples available now for certain things,
>>> but those you created yourself or edited it would be good to keep
>>> them. Hard to believe that hundreds of those floppy disks could be
>>> stored on a single CD-ROM now for less than the price of what I paid
>>> for a single 3.5 floppy disk. :-)
>>>
>>> Loading them into Mach 5 would also be a good idea as well!
>>>
>>> David A. Roth
>>> david(a)roth-music.com
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Colin Shapiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> There hasn't been any action on this group for months so I thought
>>>> I'd get something going....
>>>>
>>>> I hardly use my S550 anymore but I have literally hundreds of
>>>> floppy disks of sounds. It seems a shame for all of these to not be
>>>> used anymore. This is really just laziness and ease of use - I work
>>>> with Logic Pro 8 and tend to use their EXS24 sampler exclusively.
>>>>
>>>> I have the old S-Mac set of utilities for reading and writing S550
>>>> disks and sometimes use them to just lift sounds off the floppies,
>>>> for import into EXS24. This works okay for very simple things like
>>>> drum samples and hits.
>>>>
>>>> I also use CDXtract and sometimes Translator to convert S760 disks
>>>> and these work well. I know it's possible to do a convert load of
>>>> S550 disks into S760, then convert via CDXtract to EXS24, but this
>>>> is is long process. To add to this, my S760 has suddenly become
>>>> sick and says I only have 1.2 MB RAM - I actually have 32MB. (But
>>>> that's another problem....)
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone come across new (or old) utilities for bringing S550
>>>> sample disks into the 21st century? Something to read and convert
>>>> these precious old treasures.....
>>>>
>>>> Regards - Colin
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