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Re: Windows S760 Editor (marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:22:49 -0500 From: Richard Sven Patterson &lt;rsp(a)richardsven.com&gt; Subject: Re: [sgroup] Windows S760 Editor To: marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com, sgroup &lt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca&gt; Message-ID: &lt;a06240800ca41ed048c7d(a)[192.168.2.211]&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:34 AM -0400 12/7/11, marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com wrote: >No software sampler sounds near as good as the S760 either. I have 2 >back in my setup. > >Any practical ways to ditch the old Atari RGB monitor and go with >something newer, low cost btw ? anything that has an s-video input. although those are harder and harder to find rsp > >On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Adrian Gin wrote: > >>Dennis, I just find the S760's able to do what I need them to do. I find >>that the Software Samplers are 'too' complex - simplicity (and a S760 aint >>too shabby) is a good thing when it comes to creating stuff! >> >>Get some generic strings or keys, load em up and you're playing! >> >>===== >> >>Back to the editor, perhaps the most difficult thing would be to "decipher" >>the Roland File Format, once I get this, everything I think would be a piece >>of p1ss. >> >>I could hack it and see, parameter by parameter, hex byte by hex byte and >>see what changes... but I'd rather not reverse engineer it. I know Kontakt, >>ChickenSys and CDXTract can read Roland File Formats, I'm sure they didn't >>reverse engineer the darn thing! >> >>Any ideas? >> >>Cheers, >> >>Adrian >> >>On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, dennis barton &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> >>>I use Directwave now, but still have s760's so this would be nice. >>> >>> >>> >>>At 7/11/2011 07:36 PM, Adrian Gin wrote: >>> >>>>Hi guys, >>>> >>>>I was thinking of making one of these for the S760, it would write ISO >>>>files >>>>for use on say CDs or ZIP Drives. >>>> >>>>It would have a nice user interface, based perhaps off the CRT Display >>>>that >>>>the S760 puts, but i suppose it would allow you to edit the parameters >>>>easier. >>>> >>>>I could also take some "inspiration" off Kontakt (does anyone else find >>>>this >>>>software klunky and difficult to use / make work?, Kontakt is powerful, >>>>but >>>>it's useless if it's functionality is locked behind many layers of >>>>complexity.) or DirectWave or something. >>>> >>>>Are there any ideas which you wish the S760 could do easier or better? >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>Adrian >>>>______________________________**_________________ >>>>Sent by the sgroup mailing list &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >>>>For subscribe/unsubscribe: >>>>http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/**listinfo/sgroup< http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup> >>>>See >>>>http://www.generalconcepts.**com/sgroup/< http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/>for >>>>more information. >>>> >>> >>> >>>Dennis Barton &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; >>>Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sent by the sgroup mailing list &gt;&gt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >>For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >>See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > >_______________________________________________ >Sent by the sgroup mailing list &gt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. -- richard sven patterson rsp(a)richardsven.com 876-869-5902 (digicel) 876-620-8899 (fax) 305-433-4143 (vonage) "Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life." skype:houndogmusic http://www.myspace.com/richardsven http://soundsculptist..blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:13:27 -0400 From: marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [sgroup] Windows S760 Editor To: sgroup &lt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca&gt; Message-ID: &lt;929624DB-01EA-4B72-9CF8-89BC5CC87B7F(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Anyone know of anything practical out there ? On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Richard Sven Patterson wrote: > At 8:34 AM -0400 12/7/11, marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com wrote: >> No software sampler sounds near as good as the S760 either. I have >> 2 back in my setup. >> >> Any practical ways to ditch the old Atari RGB monitor and go with >> something newer, low cost btw ? > > > anything that has an s-video input. although those are harder and > harder to find > > rsp > > > >> >> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Adrian Gin wrote: >> >>> Dennis, I just find the S760's able to do what I need them to do. >>> I find >>> that the Software Samplers are 'too' complex - simplicity (and a >>> S760 aint >>> too shabby) is a good thing when it comes to creating stuff! >>> >>> Get some generic strings or keys, load em up and you're playing! >>> >>> ===== >>> >>> Back to the editor, perhaps the most difficult thing would be to >>> "decipher" >>> the Roland File Format, once I get this, everything I think would >>> be a piece >>> of p1ss. >>> >>> I could hack it and see, parameter by parameter, hex byte by hex >>> byte and >>> see what changes... but I'd rather not reverse engineer it.. I know >>> Kontakt, >>> ChickenSys and CDXTract can read Roland File Formats, I'm sure >>> they didn't >>> reverse engineer the darn thing! >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Adrian >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, dennis barton &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I use Directwave now, but still have s760's so this would be nice. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 7/11/2011 07:36 PM, Adrian Gin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking of making one of these for the S760, it would >>>>> write ISO >>>>> files >>>>> for use on say CDs or ZIP Drives. >>>>> >>>>> It would have a nice user interface, based perhaps off the CRT >>>>> Display >>>>> that >>>>> the S760 puts, but i suppose it would allow you to edit the >>>>> parameters >>>>> easier.. >>>>> >>>>> I could also take some "inspiration" off Kontakt (does anyone >>>>> else find >>>>> this >>>>> software klunky and difficult to use / make work?, Kontakt is >>>>> powerful, >>>>> but >>>>> it's useless if it's functionality is locked behind many layers of >>>>> complexity.) or DirectWave or something. >>>>> >>>>> Are there any ideas which you wish the S760 could do easier or >>>>> better? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Adrian >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> Sent by the sgroup mailing list >>>>> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >>>>> For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/**listinfo/sgroup >>>>> <http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup> >>>>> See http://www.generalconcepts.**com/sgroup/< http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ >>>>> >for more information. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dennis Barton &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; >>>> Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent by the sgroup mailing list >>> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >>> For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >>> See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent by the sgroup mailing list >> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >> For subscribe/unsubscribe: http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >> See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > -- > richard sven patterson > rsp(a)richardsven.com > 876-869-5902 (digicel) > 876-620-8899 (fax) > 305-433-4143 (vonage) > "Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life." > skype:houndogmusic > http://www.myspace.com/richardsven > http://soundsculptist.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:43:56 -0400 From: marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [sgroup] Windows S760 Editor To: sgroup &lt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca&gt; Message-ID: &lt;6DF59408-901D-42BA-9B02-5C0D96D00A0F(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain;      charset=US-ASCII;      format=flowed > yes, but small, and affordable perhaps, nothing to overkill. > > > On Jul 12, 2011, at 11:11 AM, dennis dodd wrote: > >> For what, more modern video display? >> >> From: &quot;marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com&quot; &lt;marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com&gt; >> To: sgroup &lt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca&gt; >> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [sgroup] Windows S760 Editor >> >> Anyone know of anything practical out there ? >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:20:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Marcel Prisi &lt;marcel(a)virtua.ch&gt; Subject: Re: [sgroup] Windows S760 Editor To: marais de cygnes &lt;marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com&gt; Cc: sgroup &lt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca&gt; Message-ID: <a4ed436c-655d-4365-8d28-2c4c5d39ebff@hannibal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I have been using TV cards on laptops/PC's, you can find low cost USB or PCI cards everywhere, just check that they have an svideo input AND cable/plug. This way you don't waste more space than necessary, and can use Alt-Tab to switch to your sampler (still have to use the other mouse unfortunately). This one looks OK : http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_usblive2.html If the bundled software is a bit of an overkill, you can try this one : http://www.kastortv.org I found it to be just excellent. Kind regards. ----- Mail original ----- > Anyone know of anything practical out there ? > > On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Richard Sven Patterson wrote: > > > At 8:34 AM -0400 12/7/11, marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> No software sampler sounds near as good as the S760 either. I have > >> 2 back in my setup. > >> > >> Any practical ways to ditch the old Atari RGB monitor and go with > >> something newer, low cost btw ? > > > > > > anything that has an s-video input. although those are harder and > > harder to find > > > > rsp > > > > > > > >> > >> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Adrian Gin wrote: > >> > >>> Dennis, I just find the S760's able to do what I need them to do. > >>> I find > >>> that the Software Samplers are 'too' complex - simplicity (and a > >>> S760 aint > >>> too shabby) is a good thing when it comes to creating stuff! > >>> > >>> Get some generic strings or keys, load em up and you're playing! > >>> > >>> ===== > >>> > >>> Back to the editor, perhaps the most difficult thing would be to > >>> "decipher" > >>> the Roland File Format, once I get this, everything I think would > >>> be a piece > >>> of p1ss. > >>> > >>> I could hack it and see, parameter by parameter, hex byte by hex > >>> byte and > >>> see what changes... but I'd rather not reverse engineer it. I > >>> know > >>> Kontakt, > >>> ChickenSys and CDXTract can read Roland File Formats, I'm sure > >>> they didn't > >>> reverse engineer the darn thing! > >>> > >>> Any ideas? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Adrian > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, dennis barton > >>> &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I use Directwave now, but still have s760's so this would be > >>>> nice. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> At 7/11/2011 07:36 PM, Adrian Gin wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi guys, > >>>>> > >>>>> I was thinking of making one of these for the S760, it would > >>>>> write ISO > >>>>> files > >>>>> for use on say CDs or ZIP Drives. > >>>>> > >>>>> It would have a nice user interface, based perhaps off the CRT > >>>>> Display > >>>>> that > >>>>> the S760 puts, but i suppose it would allow you to edit the > >>>>> parameters > >>>>> easier. > >>>>> > >>>>> I could also take some "inspiration" off Kontakt (does anyone > >>>>> else find > >>>>> this > >>>>> software klunky and difficult to use / make work?, Kontakt is > >>>>> powerful, > >>>>> but > >>>>> it's useless if it's functionality is locked behind many layers > >>>>> of > >>>>> complexity.) or DirectWave or something. > >>>>> > >>>>> Are there any ideas which you wish the S760 could do easier or > >>>>> better? > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> Adrian > >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>> Sent by the sgroup mailing list > >>>>> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca > >>>>> For subscribe/unsubscribe: > >>>>> http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/**listinfo/sgroup > >>>>> <http://www.sgroup..ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup> > >>>>> See > >>>>> http://www..generalconcepts.**com/sgroup/< http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ > >>>>> >for more information. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dennis Barton &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; > >>>> Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sent by the sgroup mailing list > >>> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca > >>> For subscribe/unsubscribe: > >>> http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > >>> See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sent by the sgroup mailing list > >> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca > >> For subscribe/unsubscribe: > >> http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > >> See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > > > > > > -- > > richard sven patterson > > rsp(a)richardsven.com > > 876-869-5902 (digicel) > > 876-620-8899 (fax) > > 305-433-4143 (vonage) > > "Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life." > > skype:houndogmusic > > http://www.myspace.com/richardsven > > http://soundsculptist.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sent by the sgroup mailing list > sgroup(a)sgroup.ca > For subscribe/unsubscribe: > http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup > See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:43:35 -0400 From: marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [sgroup] Windows S760 Editor To: sgroup &lt;sgroup(a)sgroup.ca&gt; Message-ID: &lt;513092D0-CE7C-4228-B583-3CD0BECB5318(a)gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes anyone doing this with a mac display btw ? On Jul 12, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Marcel Prisi wrote: > Hi, > > I have been using TV cards on laptops/PC's, you can find low cost > USB or PCI cards everywhere, just check that they have an svideo > input AND cable/plug. > > This way you don't waste more space than necessary, and can use Alt- > Tab to switch to your sampler (still have to use the other mouse > unfortunately). > > This one looks OK : > > http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_usblive2.html > > If the bundled software is a bit of an overkill, you can try this > one : > > http://www.kastortv..org > > I found it to be just excellent. > > Kind regards. > > ----- Mail original ----- >> Anyone know of anything practical out there ? >> >> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Richard Sven Patterson wrote: >> >>> At 8:34 AM -0400 12/7/11, marais.de.cygnes(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>> No software sampler sounds near as good as the S760 either. I have >>>> 2 back in my setup. >>>> >>>> Any practical ways to ditch the old Atari RGB monitor and go with >>>> something newer, low cost btw ? >>> >>> >>> anything that has an s-video input. although those are harder and >>> harder to find >>> >>> rsp >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Adrian Gin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dennis, I just find the S760's able to do what I need them to do. >>>>> I find >>>>> that the Software Samplers are 'too' complex - simplicity (and a >>>>> S760 aint >>>>> too shabby) is a good thing when it comes to creating stuff! >>>>> >>>>> Get some generic strings or keys, load em up and you're playing! >>>>> >>>>> ===== >>>>> >>>>> Back to the editor, perhaps the most difficult thing would be to >>>>> "decipher" >>>>> the Roland File Format, once I get this, everything I think would >>>>> be a piece >>>>> of p1ss. >>>>> >>>>> I could hack it and see, parameter by parameter, hex byte by hex >>>>> byte and >>>>> see what changes... but I'd rather not reverse engineer it. I >>>>> know >>>>> Kontakt, >>>>> ChickenSys and CDXTract can read Roland File Formats, I'm sure >>>>> they didn't >>>>> reverse engineer the darn thing! >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Adrian >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM, dennis barton >>>>> &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Directwave now, but still have s760's so this would be >>>>>> nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 7/11/2011 07:36 PM, Adrian Gin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was thinking of making one of these for the S760, it would >>>>>>> write ISO >>>>>>> files >>>>>>> for use on say CDs or ZIP Drives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would have a nice user interface, based perhaps off the CRT >>>>>>> Display >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> the S760 puts, but i suppose it would allow you to edit the >>>>>>> parameters >>>>>>> easier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could also take some "inspiration" off Kontakt (does anyone >>>>>>> else find >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> software klunky and difficult to use / make work?, Kontakt is >>>>>>> powerful, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> it's useless if it's functionality is locked behind many layers >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> complexity.) or DirectWave or something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there any ideas which you wish the S760 could do easier or >>>>>>> better? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adrian >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> Sent by the sgroup mailing list >>>>>>> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >>>>>>> For subscribe/unsubscribe: >>>>>>> http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/**listinfo/sgroup >>>>>>> <http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup> >>>>>>> See >>>>>>> http://www.generalconcepts..**com/sgroup/< http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ >>>>>>>> for more information. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dennis Barton &lt;db(a)skylab2000.com&gt; >>>>>> Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sent by the sgroup mailing list >>>>> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >>>>> For subscribe/unsubscribe: >>>>> http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >>>>> See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent by the sgroup mailing list >>>> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >>>> For subscribe/unsubscribe: >>>> http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >>>> See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> richard sven patterson >>> rsp(a)richardsven.com >>> 876-869-5902 (digicel) >>> 876-620-8899 (fax) >>> 305-433-4143 (vonage) >>> "Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life." >>> skype:houndogmusic >>> http://www.myspace.com/richardsven >>> http://soundsculptist.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent by the sgroup mailing list >> sgroup(a)sgroup.ca >> For subscribe/unsubscribe: >> http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup >> See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. >> ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ sgroup mailing list sgroup(a)sgroup.ca http://www.sgroup.ca/mailman/listinfo/sgroup See http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/ for more information. 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