15 Apr
2010
15 Apr
'10
11:09 a.m.
I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but thought this
may be of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and
has been wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation.
The Roland Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G
software and this upgrade now offers sampling features that were
previously unavailable. And for current Juno-G users the update is
available free to download (see Downloads page at link below). So if
like me, you were looking for a single keyboard to use live that can
trigger samples instead of hauling a controller/S-760 rack combo
around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=756&Paren…
Andy
15 Apr
15 Apr
12:51 p.m.
Great news..
let me hijack the thread ;-)
I like this mailing list a lot. I own a SY77 from Yamaha. Does anyone know a
mailing list like the s-group for the SY series or more general about Yamaha
FM products?
Grtz, :)
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Andy Skuse <askuse(a)ody.ca> wrote:
I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers,
but thought this may be
of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and has been
wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation. The Roland
Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G software and this
upgrade now offers sampling features that were previously unavailable. And
for current Juno-G users the update is available free to download (see
Downloads page at link below). So if like me, you were looking for a single
keyboard to use live that can trigger samples instead of hauling a
controller/S-760 rack combo around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=756&Paren…
Andy
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2:50 p.m.
At 10:09 AM 4/15/2010, you wrote:
I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but
thought this
may be of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and
has been wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation.
The Roland Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G
software and this upgrade now offers sampling features that were
previously unavailable. And for current Juno-G users the update is
available free to download (see Downloads page at link below). So if
like me, you were looking for a single keyboard to use live that can
trigger samples instead of hauling a controller/S-760 rack combo
around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0.
It should be noted that aside from the terminology and the same
company, there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or
S-5x samplers, it might as well be a different unit.
The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially
came out with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S and
-X. It eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's the
same functionality really, no additions. The reason for the
removal/put-in-again glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a
different CPU (more off-the-shelf) and the OS was rewritten to
accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how much the modern hardware
stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their OS's. Companies
don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's anymore.
The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine, so
if you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get.
Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the
Akai Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no
discontinued) had the best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for
the Motif XS. I use all these pieces and I don't want to knock Roland
but the Fantom-G is immensely difficult to use (too many clicks to do
one thing, the buttons are in ungainly locations).
This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and
the new Kurzweil P3K.
Just my opinion, though.
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
3:46 p.m.
On 15-Apr-10, at 2:50 PM, Garth Hjelte wrote:
It should be noted that aside from the terminology and
the same
company, there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or
S-5x samplers, it might as well be a different unit.
The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially
came out with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S
and -X. It eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's
the same functionality really, no additions. The reason for the
removal/put-in-again glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a
different CPU (more off-the-shelf) and the OS was rewritten to
accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how much the modern
hardware stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their OS's.
Companies don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's
anymore.
The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine,
so if you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get.
Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the
Akai Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no
discontinued) had the best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for
the Motif XS. I use all these pieces and I don't want to knock
Roland but the Fantom-G is immensely difficult to use (too many
clicks to do one thing, the buttons are in ungainly locations).
This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and
the new Kurzweil P3K.
Just my opinion, though.
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
Hey Garth,
The problem for me isn't about the finding the "best" sampler, it's
about finding a synth *and* sampler that is easy on the budget and
reduces the amount of stuff I have to take with me to gigs (I play
guitar as well so add in an amp, guitars, footpedals, and then you
have a recipe for back problems). As an S-760 and S-750 (and S-50 and
S-10 in the past) owner I certainly appreciate S-series samplers for
their unique abilities and sound. But I am currently using a Roland
RS-5 (not a great controller I admit but it has lots of great analog
synth sounds I like), and an S-760 in a rack (don't forget the
external SCSI hard drive!) for gigs, and to be able to combine a synth
with a sampler into one keyboard without having to drag around an
extra rack or hard drive (the Juno-G uses SD cards for storage) would
greatly simplify my setup and reduce my total gigging weight. And to
be able to buy that same device for $1100 (Juno-G $1099.99 at
music123.com) is a bargain compared to the Fantoms ($2295 at
music123.com for G6). And the XV-5080 is a rackmount sampler so I'm
back to dragging around a rack and a hard drive. The Juno-G solves 2
big problems for me, just thought I'd mention it in case any other S-
series owners were in the same boat.
Andy
16 Apr
16 Apr
4:30 a.m.
I'm missing the mv8000/mv8800 in the sampling discussion. I have no
experience with these machines, but they carry the Roland name.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Garth Hjelte <garth(a)chickensys.com> wrote:
At 10:09 AM 4/15/2010, you wrote:
I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but thought this
may be of interest to anyone who, like me, is
using an S-760 live and
has been wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation.
The Roland Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G
software and this upgrade now offers sampling features that were
previously unavailable. And for current Juno-G users the update is
available free to download (see Downloads page at link below). So if
like me, you were looking for a single keyboard to use live that can
trigger samples instead of hauling a controller/S-760 rack combo
around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0.
It should be noted that aside from the terminology and the same company,
there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or S-5x samplers,
it might as well be a different unit.
The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially came out
with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S and -X. It
eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's the same
functionality really, no additions. The reason for the removal/put-in-again
glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a different CPU (more off-the-shelf)
and the OS was rewritten to accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how
much the modern hardware stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their
OS's. Companies don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's
anymore.
The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine, so if
you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get.
Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the Akai
Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no discontinued) had the
best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for the Motif XS. I use all these
pieces and I don't want to knock Roland but the Fantom-G is immensely
difficult to use (too many clicks to do one thing, the buttons are in
ungainly locations).
This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and the
new Kurzweil P3K.
Just my opinion, though.
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
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9:34 a.m.
Didn't see my reply show up so sorry if this is a double-post.
Andy
On 15-Apr-10, at 2:50 PM, Garth Hjelte wrote:
It should be noted that aside from the terminology and
the same
company, there is no relationship between the Juno-G and the S-7x or
S-5x samplers, it might as well be a different unit.
The Fantom is actually the bigger brother. The Fantom-G initially
came out with NO multisampling ability like the previous Fantom-S
and -X. It eventually got it back, same with the Juno-G, but it's
the same functionality really, no additions. The reason for the
removal/put-in-again glitch (IMHO) is that the Fantom uses a
different CPU (more off-the-shelf) and the OS was rewritten to
accommodate it. You'd be surprised about how much the modern
hardware stuff uses embedded Linux technology behind their OS's.
Companies don't have the time nor resources to make their own OS's
anymore.
The XV-5080 actually had a S-7x engine on top of the synth engine,
so if you REALLY want the S-7x, that's the modern unit to get.
Aside from Roland, IMHO, the best hardware sampler to appear is the
Akai Z-8. For modern workstations, the Alesis Fusion (no
discontinued) had the best sampler engine, besides that I'd go for
the Motif XS. I use all these pieces and I don't want to knock
Roland but the Fantom-G is immensely difficult to use (too many
clicks to do one thing, the buttons are in ungainly locations).
This year, things may be changing with new versions of the Motif and
the new Kurzweil P3K.
Just my opinion, though.
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
Hey Garth,
The problem for me isn't about the finding the "best" sampler, it's
about finding a synth *and* sampler that is easy on the budget and
reduces the amount of stuff I have to take with me to gigs (I play
guitar as well so add in an amp, guitars, footpedals, and then you
have a recipe for back problems). As an S-760 and S-750 (and S-50 and
S-10 in the past) owner I certainly appreciate S-series samplers for
their unique abilities and sound. But I am currently using a Roland
RS-5 (not a great controller I admit but it has lots of great analog
synth sounds I like), and an S-760 in a rack (don't forget the
external SCSI hard drive!) for gigs, and to be able to combine a synth
with a sampler into one keyboard without having to drag around an
extra rack or hard drive (the Juno-G uses SD cards for storage) would
greatly simplify my setup and reduce my total gigging weight. And to
be able to buy that same device for $1100 (Juno-G $1099.99 at
music123.com) is a bargain compared to the Fantoms ($2295 at
music123.com for G6). And the XV-5080 is a rackmount sampler so I'm
back to dragging around a rack and a hard drive. The Juno-G solves 2
big problems for me, just thought I'd mention it in case any other S-
series owners were in the same boat.
And I just read your post about lack of pitch, volume and panning
control on the Juno-G. I do all of my sample editing on my computer
and just need the Juno-G to store and playback my samples, so to get
around this issue it sounds like I just need to pre-plan a bit. I
should be able to just edit my samples on my computer first to ensure
the proper pitch, volume and panning are set so before importing into
the Juno-G, correct?
Andy
1:56 p.m.
At 02:46 PM 4/15/2010, you wrote:
The problem for me isn't about the finding the
"best" sampler, it's
about finding a synth *and* sampler that is easy on the budget and
reduces the amount of stuff I have to take with me to gigs (I play
guitar as well so add in an amp, guitars, footpedals, and then you
have a recipe for back problems). As an S-760 and S-750 (and S-50 and
S-10 in the past) owner I certainly appreciate S-series samplers for
their unique abilities and sound. But I am currently using a Roland
RS-5 (not a great controller I admit but it has lots of great analog
synth sounds I like), and an S-760 in a rack (don't forget the
external SCSI hard drive!) for gigs, and to be able to combine a synth
with a sampler into one keyboard without having to drag around an
extra rack or hard drive (the Juno-G uses SD cards for storage) would
greatly simplify my setup and reduce my total gigging weight. And to
be able to buy that same device for $1100 (Juno-G $1099.99 at
music123.com) is a bargain compared to the Fantoms ($2295 at
music123.com for G6). And the XV-5080 is a rackmount sampler so I'm
back to dragging around a rack and a hard drive. The Juno-G solves 2
big problems for me, just thought I'd mention it in case any other S-
series owners were in the same boat.
The two issues being "all in one keyboard" and "sampled sounds+good
ROM sounds"? Plus "inexpensive".
Yeah, the less expensive price of the Juno-G makes sense. Less then
the Motifs and M3's etc.
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
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