4 Apr
2005
4 Apr
'05
8:58 a.m.
Hi folks,
I'm Chris, an EE from Oxford in England and the proud owner of a JS-30
(which arrived alst week) and an S750 (which arrived today).... I got them
cos I used to won an S770 and although I never used it for much I remembered
how much I liked the way it sounded also I loved the monitor output/mouse
combo for editing on it. ANyway... plea/question time...
My S750 has come with several OS disks up to version 1.06. WHat is the
latest (or best if different) OS for the S750 and can anyone in
Oxford/Abingdon/Didcot/Wantage/Witney let me copy there's... I can drop
round this evening with the unit to copy the disk ....
also does anyone know if sdiskw will work with USB floppy drives cos my
laptop doesn't have an onboard floppy..... aslo is there a hack to put an
internal SCSI device in the S750?... I was thinking of getting a SCSI
flash-card reader of some description and sticking a 64Mb card in there as I
would hope it'll be more reliable than a small (old) harddrive..
BTW JS-30's seem to be happy using Panasonic PD-drives as hard-drives (mine
certainly sat there last night adn formatted one cheerfully enough) has
anyone ever got a PD to work as both an MO and a CDROM simultaenously using
the LUN switching or is that beyond the SCSI spec of an S-series?
It didn't want to know about a 4Gb Micropolis I tried it with (bit on the
big side I guess) but was happy with a truly ancient 160Mb Quantum....
Am I right in thinking that as long as I change the ID on one of the
samplers then I could plug them both into the same drive as long as they
don't simultaneously try to access it?...
chrisc
4 Apr
4 Apr
9:33 a.m.
to quote Chris Crosskey:
=> My S750 has come with several OS disks up to version 1.06. WHat is the
=> latest (or best if different) OS for the S750 and can anyone in
=> Oxford/Abingdon/Didcot/Wantage/Witney let me copy there's... I can drop
=> round this evening with the unit to copy the disk ....
Last release was 2.25 - it is available from
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/os/S770/
But you'll need to figure out how to use sdisk/sdiskw or unix dd to
reconstitute it to a floppy. Dunno whether sdiskw will work with a USB
floppy tho. Suspect sdisk (DOS) won't although it might... dd will
definitely work.
=> laptop doesn't have an onboard floppy..... aslo is there a hack to put an
=> internal SCSI device in the S750?... I was thinking of getting a SCSI
=> flash-card reader of some description and sticking a 64Mb card in there as I
=> would hope it'll be more reliable than a small (old) harddrive..
I think the space that would be occupied by the disk on an S770 is
available in the S750. Don't recall whether there is a spare power cable
(or port) or whether the SCSI bus also has an internal connector. I
suspect you'll be better off putting the card reader in an internal box,
but, open up and let us all know how you got on. :-)
The OS might not be comfortable with a card reader, but I suppose if it
advertises itself as a disk, it should be OK.
=> Am I right in thinking that as long as I change the ID on one of the
=> samplers then I could plug them both into the same drive as long as they
=> don't simultaneously try to access it?...
Yep, that should work. I don't see why you couldn't access (for read at
least) a drive from more than one device. The SCSI protocol (I think)
should permit this as I think it is stateless? Someone more versed in SCSI
might be able to confirm/deny.
Regards,
Nic.
--
Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic(a)softaudio.com, GSM: +353 87 2300 914
12:09 p.m.
New subject: Hi Folks first post and already a plea for help..... butsome compaitbility info
Might just stick DOS on a junkyard old Pentium I've got kicking around
somewhere and stick an oldish Adaptec card in it to get the best of all
worlds..... a lot of hassle though compared to dropping roudn soemone elses
house and copying one disk .....
chrisc
From: Nic Grant <nic(a)softaudio.com>
To: sgroup(a)sgroup.ca
Subject: Re: [sgroup] Hi Folks first post and already a plea for help.....
butsome compaitbility info
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:33:32 +0100
to quote Chris Crosskey:
=> My S750 has come with several OS disks up to version 1.06. WHat is
the
=> latest (or best if different) OS for the S750 and can anyone in
=> Oxford/Abingdon/Didcot/Wantage/Witney let me copy there's... I can
drop
=> round this evening with the unit to copy the disk ....
Last release was 2.25 - it is available from
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/os/S770/
But you'll need to figure out how to use sdisk/sdiskw or unix dd to
reconstitute it to a floppy. Dunno whether sdiskw will work with a USB
floppy tho. Suspect sdisk (DOS) won't although it might... dd will
definitely work.
=> laptop doesn't have an onboard floppy..... aslo is there a hack to
put an
=> internal SCSI device in the S750?... I was thinking of getting a SCSI
=> flash-card reader of some description and sticking a 64Mb card in
there as I
=> would hope it'll be more reliable than a small (old) harddrive..
I think the space that would be occupied by the disk on an S770 is
available in the S750. Don't recall whether there is a spare power cable
(or port) or whether the SCSI bus also has an internal connector. I
suspect you'll be better off putting the card reader in an internal box,
but, open up and let us all know how you got on. :-)
The OS might not be comfortable with a card reader, but I suppose if it
advertises itself as a disk, it should be OK.
=> Am I right in thinking that as long as I change the ID on one of the
=> samplers then I could plug them both into the same drive as long as
they
=> don't simultaneously try to access it?...
Yep, that should work. I don't see why you couldn't access (for read at
least) a drive from more than one device. The SCSI protocol (I think)
should permit this as I think it is stateless? Someone more versed in
SCSI
might be able to confirm/deny.
Regards,
Nic.
--
Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic(a)softaudio.com, GSM: +353 87 2300 914
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4:35 p.m.
New subject: Hi Folks first post and already a plea for help.....butsome compaitbility info
Hi,
I sold my s750 some time ago (and got myself an A3000). As i have done it
now (and as you should be able to do as well) is to use a Compact flash
device on my A3000. It will work since it identifies itself as a removable
drive (i.e a "zip"). For this to work, i bought a IDE->scsi convertor card
and a pcmcia-card reader which i connected to the internal scsi port (the
S750 does not have any internal scsi connector). I guess that you could
build a "scsi y-cable connector" to lead one cable to the inside of the S750
and use a similar setup. As for the power part of it, the ide->scsi card and
the pcmcia reader uses a floppy connector and a HD connector (5volts and 5 +
12 volts). You should be able to get this from the built in power supply.
Kind regards
Daniel
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Subject: Re: [sgroup] Hi Folks first post and already a plea for
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Might just stick DOS on a junkyard old Pentium I've got kicking around
somewhere and stick an oldish Adaptec card in it to get the best of all
worlds..... a lot of hassle though compared to dropping roudn soemone elses
house and copying one disk .....
chrisc
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From: Nic Grant <nic(a)softaudio.com>
To: sgroup(a)sgroup.ca
Subject: Re: [sgroup] Hi Folks first post and already a plea for help.....
butsome compaitbility info
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:33:32 +0100
to quote Chris Crosskey:
=> My S750 has come with several OS disks up to version 1.06. WHat is
the
=> latest (or best if different) OS for the S750 and can anyone in
=> Oxford/Abingdon/Didcot/Wantage/Witney let me copy there's... I can
drop
=> round this evening with the unit to copy the disk ....
Last release was 2.25 - it is available from
http://www.generalconcepts.com/sgroup/archive/os/S770/
But you'll need to figure out how to use sdisk/sdiskw or unix dd to
reconstitute it to a floppy. Dunno whether sdiskw will work with a USB
floppy tho. Suspect sdisk (DOS) won't although it might... dd will
definitely work.
=> laptop doesn't have an onboard floppy..... aslo is there a hack to
put an
=> internal SCSI device in the S750?... I was thinking of getting a
SCSI
=> flash-card reader of some description and sticking a 64Mb card in
there as I
=> would hope it'll be more reliable than a small (old) harddrive..
I think the space that would be occupied by the disk on an S770 is
available in the S750. Don't recall whether there is a spare power
cable
(or port) or whether the SCSI bus also has an internal connector. I
suspect you'll be better off putting the card reader in an internal
box,
but, open up and let us all know how you got on. :-)
The OS might not be comfortable with a card reader, but I suppose if it
advertises itself as a disk, it should be OK.
=> Am I right in thinking that as long as I change the ID on one of the
=> samplers then I could plug them both into the same drive as long as
they
=> don't simultaneously try to access it?...
Yep, that should work. I don't see why you couldn't access (for read at
least) a drive from more than one device. The SCSI protocol (I think)
should permit this as I think it is stateless? Someone more versed in
SCSI
might be able to confirm/deny.
Regards,
Nic.
--
Nic Grant, Soft Audio, nic(a)softaudio.com, GSM: +353 87 2300 914
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5:53 p.m.
New subject: Hi Folks first post and already a plea forhelp.....butsome compaitbility info
Hi,
I've found an internal SCSI connector on my S750, only it isn't populated
:-((doesn't bother me greatly, if I have to use an external device so be it,
it can be bolted to the back of the shelf that is half occupied (in depth
terms) by my wacky old Yamaha analogue delay... this is all going into my
gigging rack (16U of immoveable object), along with a JD990, a Soundart
Chameleon, a DIgitech Vocalist, aforesaid delay, an LA dual Mic Preamp, a
Behringer 16-channel line mixer, a quad DI box and an assortment of patchign
so that I can easily plug in the three keyboards (bass-station, Fatar
controller, Quasimidi Sirius) and the JS30, with all the assorted control,
signal and oddball (monitor and SCSI for the S750, serial port for the
Chameleon) lines brought out......plus there's a 2U rack-drawer in the back
of it with all my gigging cables plus a 3U power-supply (9VDC x 8, 9V AC x
3, 240VAC x 5) to run everythign on.... count up the U and realise that it's
pretty tightly packed on the front and has 5U populated on the back as
well....... it's a 2 man job to do anything with but at least when I get to
a gig it's a quick job to get it set up (well for such a big rig anyway) and
I only need a 3-tier keyboard stand cos the JS30 goes on top of the
rack.....
at least.... that's the plan.... will be playing this Friday at the Zodiac
in the middle of the bill, won't be using the samplers this time but should
be next time out in Wales at the end of the month...
chrisc
From: "Daniel Lehtihet"
<dlehtihet(a)hotmail.com>
To: sgroup(a)sgroup.ca
Subject: Re: [sgroup] Hi Folks first post and already a plea
forhelp.....butsome compaitbility info
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:35:20 +0200
Hi,
I sold my s750 some time ago (and got myself an A3000). As i have done it
now (and as you should be able to do as well) is to use a Compact flash
device on my A3000. It will work since it identifies itself as a removable
drive (i.e a "zip"). For this to work, i bought a IDE->scsi convertor card
and a pcmcia-card reader which i connected to the internal scsi port (the
S750 does not have any internal scsi connector). I guess that you could
build a "scsi y-cable connector" to lead one cable to the inside of the
S750 and use a similar setup. As for the power part of it, the ide->scsi
card and the pcmcia reader uses a floppy connector and a HD connector
(5volts and 5 + 12 volts). You should be able to get this from the built in
power supply.
Kind regards
9:41 p.m.
New subject: Hi Folks first post and already a plea for help..... but some compaitbility info
Nic Grant:
to quote Chris Crosskey:
=> Am I right in thinking that as long as I change the ID on one of the
=> samplers then I could plug them both into the same drive as long as
=> they don't simultaneously try to access it?...
Yep, that should work. I don't see why you couldn't access (for read at
least) a drive from more than one device. The SCSI protocol (I think)
should permit this as I think it is stateless? Someone more versed in SCSI
might be able to confirm/deny.
I can't give a definite answer from the spec, but I can confirm that I
have read SCSI drives from more than one device. I have shared a SCSI
Zip disk between two PCs, and have definitely accessed a sampler-formatted
SCSI disk from both the sampler and PC. So it should be pretty safe as
long as you don't attempt to write to the disk from more than one device.
Assuming they both use the safe disk format, of course. I'm not familiar
with the JS-30.
Chris Crosskey:
I was thinking of getting a SCSI flash-card reader of
some description and
sticking a 64Mb card in there as I would hope it'll be more reliable than a
small (old) harddrive..
Now that gives me an interesting idea: USB-SCSI converter and a USB key.
They are now available in comfortable sizes for the S-7x0 series samplers.
I wonder if they can be reformatted by the sampler? That would be much
more convenient than hulking big external SCSI enclosures. [I'd also
like to see someone invent a nifty converter that would allow USB keys
to be used in the M-64C slots of the old Roland analog gear. Wishful
thinking, I know.]
Cheers,
Bernie
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