15 Nov
2010
15 Nov
'10
2:42 a.m.
Hello,
It may be a silly question, but after toying around with more recent gear &
knowing how to control that -
coming back to the S-330 & S-550 I can't seem to find how to let them
respond to MIDI-CC.
As it seems they're not really responding to many MIDI-CC numbers but it all
has to be done by System Exclusive, right ?
Is there for instance no simpler way on these machines to say control the
VCF(TVF)-cutoff etc in real-time ?
Or no way to control the settings of the multiple-stage Envelope Generators
in real-time ?
I hope I'm simply overseeing something, but fear I should dive more in the
System Exclusive topic...
Is that way of controlling also capable of 'zipperless' real-time control ?
Thanks ! & regards
15 Nov
15 Nov
4:32 p.m.
Am 15.11.2010 um 03:42 schrieb Peter V:
It may be a silly question, but after toying around
with more
recent gear &
knowing how to control that -
coming back to the S-330 & S-550 I can't seem to find how to let them
respond to MIDI-CC.
As it seems they're not really responding to many MIDI-CC numbers
but it all
has to be done by System Exclusive, right ?
Is there for instance no simpler way on these machines to say
control the
VCF(TVF)-cutoff etc in real-time ?
This is soooo long ago...
I seem to remember that on the S-330 filter cutoff can be controlled
with MIDI aftertouch. It isn't mentioned in the manual I have, but
the patch parameter A.T. assign can be set to Cut-off. This option
perhaps wasn't available in older OS versions.
As far as I remember real-time modulating parameters via Sysex was
possible too. Even the sample loop points could be controlled this
way. But it's cumbersome: since the Roland samplers have no edit
buffer you always have to include the parameter adresses of the patch/
tone you're currently playing. Also, sometimes controlling parameters
via Sysex only has an audible effect when the sampler is in a certain
mode (patch edit or tone edit, I forget).
Thanks for bringing back old memories :-)
Ingo
10:42 p.m.
Thanks Ingo for the reply, much appreciated. And especially so since you
bring info to the table that's not even in the manual ;-)
I mean, I was wondering if the info could be somewhere in the cryptic manual
(would still have been a task to find it ;-),
but I hadn't even considered the possibility of more recent functionality
added to the OS that's covered by the manual.
(I've also checked the online S-550 manual-pdf, same story, not mentioned)
BTW, main reason I wanted to dust off the old S-330/550 machines are their
multistage envelope generators. While a suited softsynth would most likely
be the most convenient approach,
I was curious how starting from simple waveforms they could realize
a Virtual Analog kind of box with more capable envelope generators than my
other hardware.
But then it's of course desirable that it's easily controlled... I'll check
my controller-capabilities on the sysex-area.
Since it's of course desrable to be able to control more than just the
TVF-cutoff, however useful that already is by means of AT.
Thanks again !
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ingo Debus" <igg.debus(a)t-online.de>
Cc: "sgroup sgroup" <sgroup(a)sgroup.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [sgroup] S-330/S-550 real-time control
Am 15.11.2010 um 03:42 schrieb Peter V:
It may be a silly question, but after toying
around with more recent
gear &
knowing how to control that -
coming back to the S-330 & S-550 I can't seem to find how to let them
respond to MIDI-CC.
As it seems they're not really responding to many MIDI-CC numbers but it
all
has to be done by System Exclusive, right ?
Is there for instance no simpler way on these machines to say control
the
VCF(TVF)-cutoff etc in real-time ?
This is soooo long ago...
I seem to remember that on the S-330 filter cutoff can be controlled with
MIDI aftertouch. It isn't mentioned in the manual I have, but the patch
parameter A.T. assign can be set to Cut-off. This option perhaps wasn't
available in older OS versions.
As far as I remember real-time modulating parameters via Sysex was
possible too. Even the sample loop points could be controlled this way.
But it's cumbersome: since the Roland samplers have no edit buffer you
always have to include the parameter adresses of the patch/ tone you're
currently playing. Also, sometimes controlling parameters via Sysex only
has an audible effect when the sampler is in a certain mode (patch edit
or tone edit, I forget).
Thanks for bringing back old memories :-)
Ingo 
16 Nov
16 Nov
2:34 a.m.
Page 102 of the s330 manual has some info on the AT use.
At 11/15/2010 02:42 PM, you wrote:
Thanks Ingo for the reply, much appreciated. And
especially so since you
bring info to the table that's not even in the manual ;-)
I mean, I was wondering if the info could be somewhere in the cryptic manual
(would still have been a task to find it ;-),
but I hadn't even considered the possibility of more recent functionality
added to the OS that's covered by the manual.
(I've also checked the online S-550 manual-pdf, same story, not mentioned)
BTW, main reason I wanted to dust off the old S-330/550 machines are their
multistage envelope generators. While a suited softsynth would most likely
be the most convenient approach,
I was curious how starting from simple waveforms they could realize
a Virtual Analog kind of box with more capable envelope generators than my
other hardware.
But then it's of course desirable that it's easily controlled...
I'll check my controller-capabilities on the sysex-area.
Since it's of course desrable to be able to control more than just
the TVF-cutoff, however useful that already is by means of AT.
Thanks again !
Peter
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingo Debus" <igg.debus(a)t-online.de>
Cc: "sgroup sgroup" <sgroup(a)sgroup.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [sgroup] S-330/S-550 real-time control
Dennis <db(a)skylab2000.com>
Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
Am 15.11.2010 um 03:42 schrieb Peter V:
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around with more recent
gear &
knowing how to control that -
coming back to the S-330 & S-550 I can't seem to find how to let them
respond to MIDI-CC.
As it seems they're not really responding to many MIDI-CC numbers but it
all
has to be done by System Exclusive, right ?
Is there for instance no simpler way on these machines to say control
the
VCF(TVF)-cutoff etc in real-time ?
This is soooo long ago...
I seem to remember that on the S-330 filter cutoff can be controlled with
MIDI aftertouch. It isn't mentioned in the manual I have, but the patch
parameter A.T. assign can be set to Cut-off. This option perhaps wasn't
available in older OS versions.
As far as I remember real-time modulating parameters via Sysex was
possible too. Even the sample loop points could be controlled this way.
But it's cumbersome: since the Roland samplers have no edit buffer you
always have to include the parameter adresses of the patch/ tone you're
currently playing. Also, sometimes controlling parameters via Sysex only
has an audible effect when the sampler is in a certain mode (patch edit
or tone edit, I forget).
Thanks for bringing back old memories :-)
Ingo
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