19 May
2005
19 May
'05
9:57 p.m.
Has anyone experimented with using memory cards with a SCSI card reader on
the Roland S-series? This is an s760.
I have tried it with 2 SCSI card readers with a PCMCIA card to Compact
Flash adaptor and 32 m CF card and no luck. :(
Sampler cannot format the cards, so they can't be written to.
I'm wondering if this is hopeless, or if I should try to get an actual
PCMCIA memory card to try, thus eliminating the adaptor/CF card variable.
Anyone done ANYTHING like this before?
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20 May
20 May
12:54 a.m.
dennis barton:
Has anyone experimented with using memory cards with a
SCSI card reader on
the Roland S-series? This is an s760.
No, I haven't tried anything like this. But I'd like to make an
observation anyway...
I have tried it with 2 SCSI card readers with a PCMCIA
card to Compact Flash
adaptor and 32 m CF card and no luck. :(
Sampler cannot format the cards, so they can't be written to.
I take it that it's a 32 megabyte card? That may be a bit on the small
side. The Roland S-760 OS has a fairly fixed structure when formatting
a hard disk and I assume that anything on the SCSI bus rather than the
floppy drive will be treated as a hard disk. This structure needs space
for the directory/table of contents. I don't recall how much space it
needs, but it might mean that the sampler will refuse to format anything
it considers too small.
OK, so that's largely speculation, but I wouldn't rule the idea out
based on a test with relatively small media.
Cheers,
Bernie
5:23 a.m.
I take it that it's a 32 megabyte card? That may
be a bit on the small
side. The Roland S-760 OS has a fairly fixed structure when formatting
a hard disk and I assume that anything on the SCSI bus rather than the
floppy drive will be treated as a hard disk. This structure needs space
for the directory/table of contents. I don't recall how much space it
needs, but it might mean that the sampler will refuse to format anything
it considers too small.
I'd be very surprised if it needed anywhere even close to 32 meg for file
and structure. The sampler is from an era where 100meg was a ton of
storage, and 40meg hard drives were commonplace.
The s770 only had a 20 meg drive, and uses interchangeable files with the
s760.
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25 May
25 May
9:02 p.m.
dennis barton:
I'd be very surprised if it needed anywhere even
close to 32 meg for file
and structure. The sampler is from an era where 100meg was a ton of storage,
and 40meg hard drives were commonplace.
Oh, I agree with that. I didn't really mean to imply that the overhead
would be that large, only that there was an overhead, and so there may
be a minimum size disk the OS supported. But, as you point out...
The s770 only had a 20 meg drive, and uses
interchangeable files with the
s760.
....so I guess we can assume that there is, in fact, some other
incompatibility preventing this from working.
Cheers,
Bernie
20 May
20 May
6:08 a.m.
Has anyone experimented with using memory cards with a
SCSI card
reader on the Roland S-series? This is an s760.
I have tried it with 2 SCSI card readers with a PCMCIA card to
Compact Flash adaptor and 32 m CF card and no luck. :(
Sampler cannot format the cards, so they can't be written to.
I'm wondering if this is hopeless, or if I should try to get an
actual PCMCIA memory card to try, thus eliminating the adaptor/CF
card variable.
I don't mean to sound offensive, but why even bother with doing this?
As Bernie said, 32Mb is not a lot of memory, apart from other considerations.
I use a SCSI Zip drive and the 100Mb disks get filled up in no time at all.
I remember that Roland issued a list way back of compatible SCSI
drives and devices, but I doubt if media such as Compact Flash via
SCSI would make any sense to the Roland OS on the S760. You'd
probably be better off looking at a different solution altogether.
Just lateral thinking - sorry I can't be more specifically helpful.
Regards - Colin
9:37 a.m.
New subject: Double-side double-density disks available
Apologies in advance for this post, but someone on the list asked for a
source for the old style 3X½" double sided, double density floppy disks.
I found my box of several hundreds of these. If anyone wants me to
send some out, please let me know.
Jesse
2:08 p.m.
I don't mean to sound offensive, but why even
bother with doing this?
Because cards will be infinitely more reliable than mechanical zip disks.
A 256meg card is only $20.
As Bernie said, 32Mb is not a lot of memory, apart from
other considerations.
I use a SCSI Zip drive and the 100Mb disks get filled up in no time at all.
No time at all? You must sample a lot!
I've been writing for many years and haven't really used up *one* zip disk
yet with samples.
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5:13 p.m.
CF/Sd/mmc (etc) with a PCMCIA adapter in a scsi reader (or ide->scsi reader
with hardware control) should look like a zip or equal to the sampler (i.e a
MO disc). If the S7X0 can see a zip, it should also be able to see a SCSI
reader. I use similar solutions with both my Yamaha A3000 and EX5R and don't
see why it should not work with Roland gear as well.
rgds
Daniel
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I don't
mean to sound offensive, but why even bother with doing this?
Because cards will be infinitely more reliable than mechanical zip disks.
A 256meg card is only $20.
As Bernie said, 32Mb is not a lot of memory, apart
from other
considerations.
I use a SCSI Zip drive and the 100Mb disks get filled up in no time at
all.
No time at all? You must sample a lot!
I've been writing for many years and haven't really used up *one* zip disk
yet with samples.
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5:16 p.m.
Sorry,
Should mention that i have used a zip for a very long time as well (since
96) but find it to unreliable ("click of death" anyone??). As stated before,
a non mechanical solution is better, especially if you use the gear in live
performances (imho)
rgds
Daniel
CF/Sd/mmc (etc) with a PCMCIA adapter in a scsi reader
(or ide->scsi reader
with hardware control) should look like a zip or equal to the sampler (i.e
a MO disc). If the S7X0 can see a zip, it should also be able to see a SCSI
reader. I use similar solutions with both my Yamaha A3000 and EX5R and
don't see why it should not work with Roland gear as well.
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7:04 p.m.
I don't
mean to sound offensive, but why even bother with doing this?
Because cards will be infinitely more reliable than mechanical zip disks.
A 256meg card is only $20. As Bernie said,
32Mb is not a lot of memory, apart from other considerations.
I use a SCSI Zip drive and the 100Mb disks get filled up in no time at all.
No time at all? You must sample a lot!
I've been writing for many years and haven't really used up *one*
zip disk yet with samples.
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