| How old is the SGROUP now? 20 years?
My archives start with a message from Neil Herzinger on 23 Feb 90.
So David - I think your guess of 20 years is pretty close.
Cheers!
John
Hi all,
Personally I don't think Roland have done anything very interesting
for a number of years,living off their heritage.
There are only so many ways you can repackage the same stuff.
Jason
I know this ML is for the S-series Roland samplers, but thought this
may be of interest to anyone who, like me, is using an S-760 live and
has been wishing for an affordable Roland synth/sampler workstation.
The Roland Juno-G is now being sold with version 2.0 of the Juno-G
software and this upgrade now offers sampling features that were
previously unavailable. And for current Juno-G users the update is
available free to download (see Downloads page at link below). So if
like me, you were looking for a single keyboard to use live that can
trigger samples instead of hauling a controller/S-760 rack combo
around then take a look at the Juno-G v2.0.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=756&ParentId=…
Andy
At 03:32 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote:
>Did anyone convert the original library for the s-series to a
>digital format already, lets say Halion?
I did most of it, although I mainly did it to other more popular
software samplers like Kontakt and EXS and Giga., using Translator
www.chickensys.com
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
At 03:30 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote:
>I'm missing the mv8000/mv8800 in the sampling discussion. I have no
>experience with these machines, but they carry the Roland name.
Strangely the MV is more the successor, structurally speaking, to the
S-7x/XV-5080 then the Fantom is.
The big problem with the Fantom (and Juno-G) is that you have no
pitch, volume, or pan control on the SAMPLE level. You have the
ability to form a "Multisample", which is just a series of samples
mapped out horizontally across 128 MIDI notes. A Patch has 4 "Tones",
and a Multisample can be assigned to that Tone and that Tone gives it
any pitch, volume, and pan properties - and any property, for that matter.
Contrast that to the S-7x model, which you have 88 MIDI Notes that
can have their own set of envelopes, LFO's, Filters, shared by up to
4 (albeit mono) samples, but at least each sample reference has it's
own pitch, volume, and pan - AND velocity range. Although the Fantom
and S-7x only can have 4 velocity splits maximum, the way the S-7x
does it is more versatile with the other parameters.
Although you may have more flexibility using the Fantom/Juno Rhythm
Kits, it seems kludgy to use a structure designed for percussion to
simulate chromatic instruments.
We can all agree that software eclipsed hardware for price and
convenience reasons, it's also true that hardware stagnated
feature-wise. Why have we never seen a non-PC-based disk-streaming
structure-unlimited hardware sampler, even before software made it's
mark? Right now the open-system things on the
Motif/Fusion/Triton/M3/Fantom (and Kurzweil) are things to compliment
it's already appealing internally voiced ROM sets, so I'm not complaining.
What I'd like to see would be 1) Sample Instrument remote control
from a computer (via USB or Ethernet) and 2) unlimited structures and
not this "only 4 samples per key" and basic control not on the sample
level stuff.
Garth Hjelte
Sampler User
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your help but I never did manage to get the S-550
working so I put it on ebay for a starting price of £15,I only had the
one bidder so he got it for that.It was a guy from Roland UK who
reckoned if he couldn't get it going,no one could!
Anyway too cut a long story short it was harder than he thought so
Roland UK are now down to just the
4 S-550 main boards.........I will say no more! I personally think the
Intel CPU may have gone south,I
had the same flashing lights behaviour with a SCI Sixtrak and in the
end I replaced its Z80 cpu,which was socketed and it worked
perfectly,although I could be wrong,I have a smattering of electronics
knowledge but mainly I do it by deduction....lol
Anyway as I still have the S-550 library and mouse I decided to buy a
S-330 off ebay for £65 inc postage,its an american model so it needs a
step down transformer and also a good clean up but it seems to work
perfectly so all in all it ended up good,OK I only have half the ram
but its a slightly more modern machine and sounds the same so the
filters on it will be put to good use|
Jason
I have both a Roland branded VGA monitor for the S series. I also have a Roland mouse also. I paid $50 for each let me know if there is any interest offline. at xirin6(a)yahoo.com I am located in Florida and I will ship if buyer pays shipping.
yes, i remember well about that 12-bit optimization. there was a great
debate when the 16-bit samplers came out, particularly in the Hip Hop
community, that the 12-bit stuff was way "meatier" than the 16-bit
stuff. that's why the sp1200 drum machine continued to be so popular,
way past its obsolescence. though i haven't fired it up in years i
can't quite bring myself to lose my s550 - even though Kontakt (the
software sampler i use now) can load my old s550 disks.
cheers
b
On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:21 PM, jsegovia(a)mindspring.com wrote:
> Yes, it can. I don't know if the 760 sounds as good with the 550
> samples as the 550 does since the 550 has this interpolated sound
> thing going on that makes the 12-bit samples sound much better or at
> least brighter. But I also have lots of samples for the 760 that
> sound great so I'd like to be able to load the 760 samples into the
> 760 and still use the 550. I don't have all that many synth modules
> so it would be nice to be able to use both the Roland samplers.
>
> Jesse
>
>
>
> From: Bruce Tovsky <bruce(a)skeletonhome.com>
> To: jsegovia(a)mindspring.com
> Date: 03/22/2010 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [sgroup] monitor for s series
>
>
>
> hi jesse
> i was always under the impression that the 760 could load 550 samples
> directly. am i wrong?
> cheers
> b
>
> On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:52 AM, jsegovia(a)mindspring.com wrote:
>
> > I see now that it's color. Since you'd use the RCA jacks with the
> 760
> > would you get color output?
> >
> > I've got both the Roland S-550 and S-760 samplers and yes, the 760
> > sounds
> > much better than the 550 but I have so many samples for the 550 I
> > always
> > thought it would be nice to be able to use them both. I wanted to
> > get a
> > switcher box so I could switch between the 550 and the 760 with my
> CGA
> > monitor but I never found a switcher box that would work with the
> > proprietary Roland cable connection. I figured the easiest thing is
> > to
> > find another Roland cable and keep it hooked up to my other sampler
> > and
> > then manually connect the cable to the sampler I want to use at that
> > moment, but I never managed to find another Roland cable.
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> >
> >
> > From: jsegovia(a)mindspring.com
> > To: dennis barton <db(a)skylab2000.com>
> > Cc: "sgroup(a)sgroup.ca" <sgroup(a)sgroup.ca>
> > Date: 03/22/2010 11:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [sgroup] monitor for s series
> > Sent by: sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com(a)sgroup.ca
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the heads-up. Is this color? And what connection would
> > work
> > with the 760?
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> >
> >
> > From: dennis barton <db(a)skylab2000.com>
> > To: "sgroup(a)sgroup.ca" <sgroup(a)sgroup.ca>
> > Date: 03/22/2010 10:17 AM
> > Subject: [sgroup] monitor for s series
> > Sent by: sgroup-bounces+jsegovia=mindspring.com(a)sgroup.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15000
> >
> > Dennis <db(a)skylab2000.com>
> > Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
> >
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bruce tovsky
www.skeletonhome.com
"Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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At 3/22/2010 08:52 AM, jsegovia(a)mindspring.com wrote:
>I see now that it's color. Since you'd use the RCA jacks with the
>760 would you get color output?
As far as I recall, s760 composite video output is color.
Dennis <db(a)skylab2000.com>
Brainforest Productions, Los Angeles
